It is damn fun, but in your muzio, black king was lured of bait, if he preferred in 3rd rank rather gobbling rook, game could go longer for black rather ending at your craziest 0-0#
Yes, you are right, but it was initially M5. And BTW, he shouldn't have attacked my knight and if he went to E8 instead, it would be -1.8 but I got +2 as soon as he played that.
@KumarG15 re #61:
Apologies if 'm being thicker than an ostrich omelette here, but I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean when you write, "the move e4 to e5 is a waste in the game and it slowed white progress".
it's this position in which I had White play e4-e5:
Now if White doesn't play e4-e5:
1) White can't get the Double Muzio with Bxf7+ because of ..., Qxf7, and playing c3 or Nc3 instead look grim
2) At the start of the twentieth century, some theoreticians experimented with 7. d3 holding Pe4-e5 in reserve, but they didn't seem to get anything better than transpositions into the standard 'single' Muzio.
3) In the nineteenth century McDonnell (or was it MacDonnell? I never can remember which was which off-the-cuff) experimented once or twice with 7. Pe4-e5 then 8. Pb2-b3 (Idea: protect the Bc4, sac the Ra1 to get Black's Queen right out of play after 8..., Qxa1; 9. Nc3)
but that didn't hold up against analysis (see Staunton's Handbook even).
I couldn't find a way to make this work by omitting Pe4-e5 either: this
didn't get me anywhere.
What are you proposing instead of Pe4-e5?
This is an opening and gambit for men. Strong men who consume potatoes each day.
Tbh i prefer salvio gambit instead of castling do ne5
@MaxiTheIntroverter I completely agree. The Salvio seems to be OK and one's opponents are usually ill-prepared for it. I used to fear 5..., Qh4+ and 6..., Nc6 until 1994, when Garbacz-Jaworski showed us the way. Now I agree the Salvio can work.
But I remain sceptical about the whole complex because Black can always play 4..., Bg7.
My own personnel the The King's Gambit is awesome...
I used to play it in over-the-board rated tournaments occasionally.
VERY occasionally. Like... twice, as far as I recall.
Here's a tournament game from nearly 50 years ago:
A couple of fine articles on the Wild Muzio appeared back in the 1980s. The one by Sapi and Schneider doesn't seem to be available on the web and will still be in copyright, so you'd have to hunt up old paper copies of BCM for that one (1988 if I recall aright). The other one by Peter Millican is available on the author's own website at Engines seem to tell us that Black can defend and come out on top with accurate play.
I found this online, page 2 makes a reference to Sapi and Schneider.
Oh yes, Thanks for sharing reference, I read that already as article was shared in the forum already. But in modern chess view, the move e4-e5 waste of white time and black queen can be safer in f5 for longer and provide coverage to their development later, so it can lead to draw or highly unsound later, and will be difficult to get compensation of sacrifices.