King's Gambit v.s Queen's Gambit

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Anonymous_U

KG Queens gambit is for wimps. I actually play the Danish the Blackmar Diemer Ryder the Smith Morra Danish the Benko Gambit. The only opening I use that is actually sound and not very aggressive is the Sicilian Najdorf and that is only because I cannot find any other good unsound gambit like many of those listed above so if anyone knows any good unsound gambit against e4 tell me. And no the Latvian is crap. Benko Gambit is as aggressive I can go against wimpy d4ers.

LavaRook
Anonymous_U wrote:

KG Queens gambit is for wimps. I actually play the Danish the Blackmar Diemer Ryder the Smith Morra Danish the Benko Gambit. The only opening I use that is actually sound and not very aggressive is the Sicilian Najdorf and that is only because I cannot find any other good unsound gambit like many of those listed above so if anyone knows any good unsound gambit against e4 tell me. And no the Latvian is crap. Benko Gambit is as aggressive I can go against wimpy d4ers.

Oh please not another one of those ppl who think d4 (with c4) is lifeless and wimpy. Im guessing you don't realize that the sharpest variations in all of chess are part of d4/c4? Semi-Slav Botvinnik, Anti-Moscow Gambit, Noteboom variation, Marshall Gambit, KID Classical, Grunfeld Exchange Rb1, certain Catalan lines, QGA 3.e4.

Your Benko Gambit, which is perfectly sound and reasonable, is actually nothing compared to some of these variations.

Anonymous_U

I'm not troll.  I believe in this so-called "garbage".  Semi-Slav?  Are you kidding me?  I hate closed structures in which pieces are not flying around the board like crazy.  I like gambits.  Unsound gambits.  The reason I use Benko Gambit and Sicilian Najdorf as Black is that there is nothing better I can find...

Like I said, please tell me if there's anything more aggressive and unsound than the Sicilian Najdorf and Benko Gambit.

Also, a lot of what you typed may be "sharp", but it's not aggressive, and atleat it doesn't LOOK nearly as sharp and exciting as say the Blackmar Diemer Ryder Gambit, or the Danish Gambit, or even the King side.  You're not sacricing material.  I like to sacrifice material.  

Okay FINE! Maybe it's not what I would play in OTB.  This is how my repertoire differs between OTB, and all other play such as Blitz, Online, Correspondence, etc.  (Thre reason my Online rating sucks is because I resign lots of games on the first move because I'm trying to learn an opening and I just can't with the environment here...)...

As White:

Against 1...e5 (I'm not playing d4, just not in my style.):

OTB -> King's Gambit/Muzio Gambit

ANYTHING ELSE -> Danish Gambit

Against 1...d5:

OTB ->  Blackmar Diemer/Ryder Ryder (Ryder is a possibility but not always.)

ANYTHING ELSE ->  Blackmar Diemer Ryder Gambit (Certainly Ryder.)

Against 1...c5:

OTB -> Open Sicilian with either Levenfish Variation against Dragon or Old Main Line against Najdorf/Smith-Morra Gambit

ANYTHING ELSE -> Smith-Morra DANISH Gambit

 

As Black:

Against 1.e4:

Sicilian Najdorf with poisoned pawn or if New Main line is encountered, I learned a nice little side line to make things more aggressive.  This is for all play currently because I currently can't find anything more aggressive and unsound.  PLEASE TELL ME IF YOU GOT ANYTHING THAT'S MORE UNSOUND AND AGGRESSIVE!

Against 1.d4:

Benko Gambit for all play.  The best I can make things open and aggressive.  1.d4 is always so closed down.  I want things to be open dynamice and aggressive.  

One thing I don't get is how is the KID aggressive?????????????  That's stupid.  You don't take any center control in the beginning.  It looks like a wimp's opening.  Seriously?  I'm not in a million years going to believe that KID is aggressive!  

 

Also Blackmar Diemer Gambit for OTB mind sound a little ridiculous but I have no choice really.  1...d5 is so wimpy and I'm not in a billion years about to go down some stupid Scandinavion line that runs like the Caro-Kann Defense.  

 

I'm not trolling.  I'm serious!

I just want to have fun playing chess and get better.  These openings to both because they are highly tactical exercising my tactics a lot, and I have lots of fun with them!

LavaRook

um KID is considered to be a very, very aggressive opening lol. In the Classical Variation, both sides are attacking-with Black attacking white's king (using moves like f7-f5-f4,g6-g5....) and white attacking Black's queenside. Tell me why people like Radjabov, known to be a very aggressive player, play it. Hes also played the Schliemann 3...f5 against the Ruy.

Both KID and Grunfeld are more aggressive than the Benko. Grunfeld also leads to Open Games in the exchange variation. And KID does take control of the center lol---it is a hypermodern opening. In Grunfeld, you try to break down white's center (the Rb1 line also has white sac'ing a pawn and later on Black sacs an exchange at e8 for a bishop in the main line--he has 2 passers for it and a dynamic, sound game).

Semi-Slav Botvinnik has pieces flying everywhere--just go into a database and look at the main lines.

I'm actually not telling you to stop whatever your playing but this misconception on here that d4 is closed and boring blah blah blah is just stupid.

And in case you want something unsound vs. d4 go play the Albin Countergambit or drop a pawn with the Englund or something. And vs. 1.e4 you can play the Elephant or whatever.

Anonymous_U

KID is not aggressive.  Grunfeld is not aggressive.  Ok, maybe it is aggressive.  But in my opinion Benko Gambit is more aggressive.  Why?  Because you actually sacrifice material and the board isn't closed down.  It's my compromise.  I'll accept that KID is somewhat aggressive and so is the Grunfeld but I will not accept that the Benko Gambit is less aggressive than KID or Grunfeld.  

@BorgQueen Play what you like!  I don't care.  It's just my opinion that d4 sucks.  But I see many GM's playing it.  It's not a bad opening.  Just not in my style.  Stop getting so pissed off so easily...  You really believe that I think that d4ers are wimps?  That's like calling so many GM's wimps.  No!! I was just kidding around.  When I say stupid stuff like that just ignore me and realize that it's just my opinion that d4 is boring.  d4 is boring for me!  I'm not saying it can't be a fun opening for anyone else.  In fact I tried out d4 a bit too.  I just didn't like it that much.  Seriously I'm no troll.

KINGOFALL123456789

yeah,   i think queens gambit is better

thegreat_patzer

debatin' openins is SO fun!  I go for qg and i'll battle to my last pawn anyone who calls me a wimp! ha!

all chess eventually gets to the point.  are you going to attack the king or what!  if you never get there- you can do no better than a tie.

the biggest point to know, is that us d4ers need to know nothing about an hell-bent tactical slugfest like KG.  my defense against the e4 is the french. it works, enough.  its usually not the kind of chess you KG enthusiasts crave- and thats exactly WHY I like it.  at least part of the point of an opening reportoire is to not have to worry about every name and pet variation under the sun.   I've you tabulatin' add another fan of the QG.  if you not, you should be, why not? 

thegreat_patzer

+ on lava. of course.  generalizing a whole lifetimes of opening theory as boring or positional is hopelessly N00B.

thegreat_patzer

oh.  this is all old.  my bad. Anonymous aint even around any more.  some interesting choices for you king.  I just played the danish gambit, ryder variation.  wierd chess.  I did ok. if you keep your wits about you you can WIN in someones pet line.  they can only memorize so far.  at some point they have to play CHESS.

PRI-23019278

i prefer queen s' gambit. its pretty powerful and there are traps that black can fall into, you should browse youtube for Queen s' gambit accepted lines traps. well kings gambit leads to agressive and fun games, i don't like it because you sacriface a LOT! Queen s' Gambit is often used in modern chess, queen s' gambit is positional and sound opening. so Kings Gambit = Sacrifacing a LOT and fun games. Queen s' gambit = positional pretty slow games.  Kings gambit was used by the Legendary Paul Morphy. 

MilithD

thx lavarock, now i will actually use QG because i know what to do if accepted :)

nukekin

i wonder if anyone would think of the Nimzo-Indian because it does a lot of counterplay for the QG

NotActuallyUN

One variation of the queen's gambit

another one below

 

ChessChess401

King's gambit. Most players have developed a defense against it, and the entire thing shuts down by forcing a check while attacking the queen with a knight. This ca also be used to set a trap and trick Black into making a blunder.

 

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QUEENS GAMBIT
sfxe

how do you guys find these old threads, god, it was created 10 years ago

BryanHasegawa

10 YEARS AGO, LMAO

OHMYGAME

if you use the QG than can promote real fastbq.pngbq.png

OHMYGAME

 

OHMYGAME

then pawn takes bishop, then black resigns. the end (mate)