Milner-Barry Gambit

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I'm seeking help with learning this opening. All the videos that I saw recommend Nxd4 taking back after black took the pawn. Problem is that the most accurate move is Nbd2. I didn't see any study that could help me learn it. Can someone help?

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Don’t play the Milner-Barry Gambit, play the Mainline with a3 against the Advance Paulsen.

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Ethan_Brollier napisał:

Don’t play the Milner-Barry Gambit, play the Mainline with a3 against the Advance Paulsen.

I really want to learn it. It's equal game after Sbd2

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Jopek9 wrote:
Ethan_Brollier napisał:

Don’t play the Milner-Barry Gambit, play the Mainline with a3 against the Advance Paulsen.

I really want to learn it. It's equal game after Sbd2

And the Milner-Barry Gambit leads to an INFERIOR game for White!

And your Nbd2? Just as bad as 9.Nxd4. 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Qb6 6.Bd3? cxd4 7.cxd4 Bd7 8.O-O Nxd4 9.Nbd2 Nc6! With a clear advantage for Black.

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ThrillerFan napisał:
Jopek9 wrote:
Ethan_Brollier napisał:

Don’t play the Milner-Barry Gambit, play the Mainline with a3 against the Advance Paulsen.

I really want to learn it. It's equal game after Sbd2

And the Milner-Barry Gambit leads to an INFERIOR game for White!

And your Nbd2? Just as bad as 9.Nxd4. 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Qb6 6.Bd3? cxd4 7.cxd4 Bd7 8.O-O Nxd4 9.Nbd2 Nc6! With a clear advantage for Black.

After I let engine think a little bit on depth 20 it says that after Nc6 it's absolutely equal 0.00

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Ultimate-trashtalker napisał:

Yes it's actually equal but very hard to play as white. Keeping the initiative going for the lost pawn is really hard sometimes

It's a nice training to play in hard situations isn't it?

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Jopek9 wrote:
ThrillerFan napisał:
Jopek9 wrote:
Ethan_Brollier napisał:

Don’t play the Milner-Barry Gambit, play the Mainline with a3 against the Advance Paulsen.

I really want to learn it. It's equal game after Sbd2

And the Milner-Barry Gambit leads to an INFERIOR game for White!

And your Nbd2? Just as bad as 9.Nxd4. 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Qb6 6.Bd3? cxd4 7.cxd4 Bd7 8.O-O Nxd4 9.Nbd2 Nc6! With a clear advantage for Black.

After I let engine think a little bit on depth 20 it says that after Nc6 it's absolutely equal 0.00

You shouldn’t rely on the engine, especially on that low of a depth, especially in the opening, ESPECIALLY if you aren’t using Stockfish 15.1+ NNUE or the highest power of LeelaZero. Besides, even if it were equal, why would you play it? If you don’t get advantage for a gambit, just play a normal opening and don’t give your opponent a tangible material advantage.

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Ethan_Brollier napisał:
Jopek9 wrote:
ThrillerFan napisał:
Jopek9 wrote:
Ethan_Brollier napisał:

Don’t play the Milner-Barry Gambit, play the Mainline with a3 against the Advance Paulsen.

I really want to learn it. It's equal game after Sbd2

And the Milner-Barry Gambit leads to an INFERIOR game for White!

And your Nbd2? Just as bad as 9.Nxd4. 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Qb6 6.Bd3? cxd4 7.cxd4 Bd7 8.O-O Nxd4 9.Nbd2 Nc6! With a clear advantage for Black.

After I let engine think a little bit on depth 20 it says that after Nc6 it's absolutely equal 0.00

You shouldn’t rely on the engine, especially on that low of a depth, especially in the opening, ESPECIALLY if you aren’t using Stockfish 15.1+ NNUE or the highest power of LeelaZero. Besides, even if it were equal, why would you play it? If you don’t get advantage for a gambit, just play a normal opening and don’t give your opponent a tangible material advantage.

You have a point because after I set Stockfish 15.1 NNUE for unlimited with 5 variations for more than hour it said something diffrent. There is only one variation that gives black advantage and only -0.08. The rest four are 0.00. The best move for black is 9. ...Bc5. Depth is 52