new reply to nf3

I have been copying 1. nf3 and play 1...nf6. I figured if he played 2. c4 d5 is some kind of Gruenfield, against 2. g3 it is 2...c5, but I like playing against 2. d4 the most. Now 2...c5!? leads to very interesting positions. It could be a benoni, and white could cerntainly transpose into that if he wanted, but now if 3. dxc5 na6! preparing to recapture. 4. qd4 qa5+ with very interesting positions. If 3. d5 b5 and we have pressure on that pawn. I played this against my friend who is rated over 1800 (This is otb, not online.) in a blitz game. He paused, then pushed. Clearly not many people study it.

Actually, Nf6 is the most popular reply to Nf3 -- see the Game Explorer, there are over 123,000 master games that have started that way.  (It's also my favored reply.)  Black matches White's flexibility, and the game can lead in many different directions.

You don't usually hear of it as a distinct opening system, though, because it's extremely transpositional -- after a few more moves, the game will usually take on the character of some variety of queen-pawn or English opening.  A game that starts 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.d4 d5 is a Queen's Gambit Declined just the same as a game that followed a more conventional move order.

Not a reverse Trompowsky at all. (I'm not writing this hoping for a mature response, I fully expect you to keep playing that for years to come ignoring everyone and thinking it's somehow similar to a Trompowsky).

Scenario #1:

Waiter: what would you like to eat today?

Rich: Hmmm...did you know I like the Tromp?

Scenario #2:

Lady in distress: Help! Help! My house is on fire!!

Rich: I play the Tromp!

Scenario #3:

Teacher: Okay, who here likes the Trompowsky?

Rich: <heart attack>

What about after 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.d4 c5 3.c4 when we have a symmetrical english structure?

Also, 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 Bg4 3.Ne5 is the best move and from what I understand not especially great for black.

After 1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 Bg4 white plays 3.Ne5, which is indeed somehow similar to this Trompowsky line: 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 Ne4 - black is already supposed to be equal here, if not even slightly better. So with tempo up in your "reverse Trompowsky", white surely has the advantage.

But I've never heard of "Anti-Torre".

"What if"?  Like that doesn't happen already on every thread in this forum?

Q: I've been a Two Knights' Defense player for a long time, but I'm having trouble meeting the suddenly-fashionable 8.Qf3 lines.  How do you other Two Knights' players play against this?

A: u should play the sicilian

Here's an line in this early Bg4 variation after 1.Nf3 as played by Ulf Andersson.

yeah, whenever I play against Nf3 it usually leads to a neo-grunfuld

If I knew the symetrical english I could just play c5 right away and then maybe get a few sicilians

How do you find the lines with an early Qa4+? I'm a 1.Nf3 guy myself but very rarely have I encountered a grunfeld approach so I'm loathe to dedicate any time to learning mainlines. If the line 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Qa4+ is a reasonable try for an advantage I can save myself a lot of work.

I dont even think Ive seen that before, but it looks good!

all more the reason to play something original these days, that would crush me if I wasnt prepared.

If youd like a game in this line that would be cool

Sure I'd love a game, like I said I very rarely get to play grunfeld-type structures.

Actually this line was played by Luke McShane against David Howell in the London Chess Classic very recently. McShane got a small edge but it ended up in a draw.

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1565725

cool I was looking at a few of the London games but missed that one.. Howell is an impressive player. which line should we play.. the queen check before or after the pawn exchange?

I think the queen check before cxd4 is supposed to be best, but in the line they played it transposes anyway. I would definitely check first though.

amazing!!! i can't stop laughing!!!!!

I agree that makes the most sense