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ZackG53

If an opening has the word defense in the title does that mean it is an opening only for black? I ask because you hear all the time of white using openings that have defense in it and i'm just wondering how this all works. I know this is an amateur question but it's really been bugging me. Thanks

tigbench

Some openers are limited to the color, but both sides could decide to use offensive or deffensive tactics by mid-end game. In the begining white is mostly offensive and black is mostly defensive, but by the 7th or 8th move on each side this rule becomes irrelavent as more move opions become available.

ZackG53

What are some of the more popular openings limited to color?

mvtjc

Well actually, there are no opening limited to color, ok maybe most openings are limited to white since he makes the first move. But an opening could not exist without both sides, Black can' play Sicilian defence if white doesn't go 1.e4, there would be no Scotch, Spanish or Italian game if black doesn't respond with 2. ... Nc6 with white's 2.Nf3

ZackG53

So white can play an opening with "defense" in it like the sicilian defense or the indian defense?

mvtjc

Not really 'defence', the reason why in most openings for black,meaning black's response to white's move let's say e4, is called 'defence' because white has the intiative of having the first move. 

ZackG53

So why is that white can play the sicilian defence or the kings indian defense? I probably sound pretty amatuer-ish but i'm just confused.

DrSpudnik

It may be useful to think of openings for Black as either defense or counterattack. If Black doesn't actively try to undermine White's center or allows White to obtain his ideal center, he's playing defensively. If he counterpunches White's center, he's counterattacking.

Here's an example: 1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 (White attacks e5) so if Nc6 or d6, Black is playing defensively. But if Nf6 or d5 or f5, Black is counterattacking.  You can wait a few moves to start a counterattack to throw White off balance, or you can sit tight longer and choose your moment.

ZackG53
Estragon wrote:

Generally an opening is called a "Defense" if Black determines it - like the Sicilian Defense, Two Knights Defense, or Nimzoindian Defense. But of course both players have a say in all the openings, so it is more a matter of convention than of "whose" opening it is.

So white can play the sicilian defense or indian defense?

mvtjc
chess8690 wrote:
Estragon wrote:

Generally an opening is called a "Defense" if Black determines it - like the Sicilian Defense, Two Knights Defense, or Nimzoindian Defense. But of course both players have a say in all the openings, so it is more a matter of convention than of "whose" opening it is.

So white can play the sicilian defense or indian defense?

No, that's my point, these 'defences' are affected by white's moves also. It's like using either a bulletproof armor or an anti-contamination suit, you can't use the armor for a poison attack and vise versa. sO it really depends.

ZackG53

Ya it's just that i've looked at the most played openings for some grandmasters and it will say that they play the sicilian defense the most for white. How do you play this as white? What would the main line be. Thanks

mvtjc

The most basic line of Sicilian is 1. e4 followed by ...c5, posting all the lines would take more than the whole page. And by that statement 'they play the sicilian defense the most for white', I think it means they play it against white's 1.e4 sine you can't really play the Sicilian defence as white on the first move. Try looking at chess.com's book openings.

mvtjc
gambitlover wrote:
mvtjc wrote:

The most basic line of Sicilian is 1. e4 followed by ...c5, posting all the lines would take more than the whole page. And by that statement 'they play the sicilian defense the most for white', I think it means they play it against white's 1.e4 sine you can't really play the Sicilian defence as white on the first move. Try looking at chess.com's book openings.

Oh yes, you can :  1.c3 e5 2.c4

That's the reverse Sicilian variation from the Saragossa opening, but it isn't Sicilian Defence is it?