playing against white d4

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I like playing black but i am facing problems while playing with white's d4. This is what happens...

1.d4,Nf6 2.Nf3

or

1.d4,Nf6 2.e3

or 

1.d4,Nf6 2.Nc3

I not sure how to proceed further as black when white doesnt play the main line... hence,I also avoid all chess openinings and just rely on tactics like pining, but this takes a lot of time and i end up losing the blitz matches because of time constraint.

Is there any openeing against such moves by white, all i know is the benoni and QG declined line.

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Well, they need to be treated independently, but yes there is lines against them, and they're not too challenging. I'll adress them from most to least important imo, as far as repertoire building goes:

1.d4 Nf3 2.e3, this is likely to head either into a colle/stonewall type thing, or if white plays c4 in the next couple of moves into a weak QG position. SInce you play Benoni and QGD, I would play either 2..d5 or 2..c5 here, then just develop pieces normally and you should be equal.

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3, this is slightly trickier, the problem is that if you play a move such as 2..e6 white play play 3.e4 when you are probably going into a french, which may be outside your repertoire. If you play pirc, you can play d6, if caro kann you can probs play c6, and if french e6, otherwise to keep it in d4 you will need to play 2..d5, you can look up theory here under veresov, black has plenty of ways to equalise.

1.d4 Nf6 2.nf3. This is the best out of the options, because white may still play 3.c4 having avoided some lines such as albin and budapest. For benoni you hould continue with 2..c5, or QGD just 2..d5, when play will probably either reach the mainlines if c4 is played, or will go into one of the e3 lines such as colle or stonewall.

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  1. d4 Nf6
  2. Nc3?? d5
  1. d4 Nf6
  2. Nf3 e6 (transposes to QGD or Benoni>
  3. c4 <c5 or d5>
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I am very fond of Pirc defense, and when White (upon 1.d4 Nf6) plays 2.Nc3, I play 2. ... d6 (of course, 2. ... d5 is good and reliable), and in about 90% White plays 3.e4, and after 3. ... g6 arises the key position of Pirc where I can imply my elaborations.

Upon 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 (of course this is a good developing move, against which you have to be prepared; 2.Nf3 is really none the worse than the main move 2.c4) - Black has at least three approximately equally good main ways upon 2.Nf3 (often it comes to the same positions with different move order) - 2. ... e6, 2. ... d5, 2. ... g6 (there are also not bad ways like 2. ... c5, 2. ... d6 etc.).

Against 1.d4, besides the flexible and reliable 1. ... Nf6, there is also Dutch defense - 1. ... f5

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SilentKnighte5 wrote:
d4 Nf6 Nc3?? d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 (transposes to QGD or Benoni> c4 <c5 or d5>

The vereseov isn't really deserving of a '??' maybe a '!?', but even that is a stretch.

I also disagree with 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6. While e6 isn't a bad move, many of the d4 deivations, such as the stonewall, london and colle are especially effective after black has played an early e6. White is in no way obliged to play 3.c4

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The Queens indian setup is fine against the stonewall and colle..

Avatar of DragonWhisperer

Go to my page and look at one of my games I see if the opening will help you it is very solid and easy to remember

Avatar of mreryder

the kings indian has been proven time and again to be a solid defense against d4

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AdityaDevN wrote:

 

Is there any openeing against such moves by white, all i know is the benoni and QG declined line.

Well, the Benoni is one more opening more than you play than me as black. Stick with 1...d5 for a bit before venturing to others. Nothing wrong with trying out the QGA too once in a while in addition to the QGD you play.

I feel that the Benoni a good practical alternative if you are aiming to play the Nimzo-Indian, where white goes 2. Nf3 or a Catalan type opening.

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SilentKnighte5 wrote:
d4 Nf6 Nc3?? d5 d4 Nf6 Nf3 e6 (transposes to QGD or Benoni> c4 <c5 or d5>


2.Nc3 is NOT a blunder.  I actually played this as White for about 2 years with decent results.  Only problem is that White gets nothing of an advantage after 1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 d5 3.Bg5 c5!  The old 3...Nbd7 is still reliable, and equal, but 3...c5 is more dynamic and Black can think about trying to win.

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AdityaDevN needs a Black weapon:

I like playing black but i am facing problems while playing with white's d4.

What is your King's Pawn Defence?

Avatar of lolurspammed

Player, d4 isn't any more passive than e4, and in fact can produce much more tactically rich positions ala Semi Slav/KID/Benoni

Avatar of schachfan1

Whether there arise tactical positions or not tactical, it depends not on the first move but more on intentions of players, and if a strong and experienced player wants to dry the game out, he can do it, in spite of aggressive efforts of his opponent.

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schachfan1 wrote:

Whether there arise tactical positions or not tactical, it depends not on the first move but more on intentions of players, and if a strong and experienced player wants to dry the game out, he can do it, in spite of aggressive efforts of his opponent.

The exact same can be said of 1.e4 or any first move though. So generalising the type of play coming from an opening moves is really arbitrary.

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Ok here is what i did

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 e6 3.e3 c5 5.Nf3

And

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nc3 g6 3.e3 bg7 4.h3 o-o

Is there anything wrong in these moves with black and can anyone give some goof openening moves against whites d4 followed by e3

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They look fine to me, infact 3.e3 in both cases makes pretty much zero sense coupled with Nc3, so I'd say you are equalised.

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I like those ...Bb4 positions in the queen's gambit declined because there's a lot of tension early in the game.

Against early e3 I like to play a kind of grunfeld/Catalan thing with g6. With the bishop blocked in on c1 I don't think White has the "speed" to take advantage of this. 

Against 2.Nc3 I just go for the ...Nbd7 thing but the real downside of 2.Nc3 is that Black can play just about anything. If you play the French or Caro-Kann you can just bail out with 1.d4 d5 2.Nc3 e6/c6.

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AdityaDevN asked:

Is there anything wrong in these moves with black and can anyone give some goof openening moves against whites d4 followed by e3

1 d4 Nh6 2 c4 e5 3 dxe5 Ng4