Thanks to great player, Brian Wall, who is both friend and destroyer of the Ponziani for posting a game where he lost using the Fraser Defense.
Looking at the game, Brian Wall had the advantage in the opening and also after the opening. So this does not change the theory that the Fraser can at least force a draw against the Ponziani.
Kant getting back to your posted game. It was very interesting and you played very well except, as you say, you did not convert your advantage.
But quite interesting game! {[ou might want to post it again]
I lost but it's OK I need the practice - basically no one knows the right lines for White yet.
IM Dorel Oltean played a bad variation and I was winning the first half of the game, in addition,
10 ... Ng4!! first and then ... dxc6!! is much stronger.
[Event "ICC 3 0"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2013.09.17"]
[Round "2"]
[White "IM Dorel Oltean"]
[Black "BrianWall"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ICCResult "Black checkmated"]
[WhiteElo "2193"]
[BlackElo "2052"]
[Opening "Ponziani: Fraser defense"]
[ECO "C44"]
[NIC "KP.05"]
[Time "00:48:12"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 Nf6 4. d4 Nxe4 5. d5 Bc5 6. dxc6 Bxf2+ 7. Ke2 Bb6
8. Qd5 Nf2 9. Qxe5+ Kf8 10. Rg1 dxc6 11. Be3 Ng4 12. Bc5+ Kg8 13. Qe7 Qxe7+
14. Bxe7 Bxg1 15. Nxg1 Nxh2 16. Bh4 Nxf1 17. Kxf1 f6 18. Nd2 Kf7 19. Bg3 Bf5
20. Bxc7 Bd3+ 21. Kf2 Rae8 22. Rd1 Re7 23. Bg3 h5 24. Nb3 Bf5 25. Nd4 Bg4
26. Ngf3 g5 27. Nb3 Rhe8 28. Rd2 h4 29. Bh2 h3 30. gxh3 Bxh3 31. Na5 Bg4 32.
Nc4 Bxf3 33. Nd6+ Kg6 34. Nxe8 Bd5 35. Nd6 Bxa2 36. c4 f5 37. b4 f4 38. Rxa2
Kh5 39. Rxa7 Kg4 40. Rxb7 Re6 41. c5 Kh3 42. Rh7+ Kg4 43. Rg7 Kh5 44. Nf7 g4
45. Bxf4 Rf6 46. Kg3 Re6 47. Rg5# {Black checkmated} 1-0
Information about od57(IM) (Last disconnected Tue Sep 17 2013 00:54):
rating [need] win loss draw total best
Blitz 2536 [8] 545 293 55 893 2626 (20-Jan-2005)
5-minute 2421 [8] 3760 2903 652 7315 2470 (15-Aug-2009)
1-minute 1545 [8] 21 30 0 51 1613 (08-Aug-2003)
3-minute 2193 540 460 57 1057 2305 (03-Jul-2013)
1: IM Dorel Oltean
Name : Dorel Oltean
Groups : IMs
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IM Dorel Oltean vs Brian Wall click and move no notes
Fraser defense to the Ponziani
https://denverchess.com/Games/ViewPGN?id=3531
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IM Dorel Oltean vs Brian Wall click and move with embedded notes
Fraser defense to the Ponziani
https://denverchess.com/Games/ViewPGN?id=3535
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3 weeks ago, same guy, same opening, but he played 10 Be3?? instead of 10 Rg1!
https://denverchess.com/Games/ViewPgn?id=2681
A better option for White is Rg1 a move earlier: 9. Rg1, then there are 2 games with 9...dxc6 in chesslive.de/"megabase" but they are both by low/unknown-rated players. Stockfish however seems to think Black can sacrifice another piece with 9...0-0 10. cxb7 Bxb7 11. Qxb7 Qf6
I think this has already been established?
Possibly -- I haven't read the whole thread
been blitzing and fritzing this for 4 years at BrianWallChess@Yahoogroups.com. After 12 Qa6 I think ... Rae8 gives Black full compensation.
[Event "ICC 3 0"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2013.09.26"]
[Round "2"]
[White "cancan99"]
[Black "BrianWall"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ICCResult "White resigns"]
[WhiteElo "2042"]
[BlackElo "1992"]
[Opening "Ponziani: Fraser defense"]
[ECO "C44"]
[NIC "KP.05"]
[Time "09:59:56"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 Nf6 4. d4 Nxe4 5. d5 Bc5 6. dxc6 Bxf2+ 7. Ke2 Bb6
8. Be3 bxc6 9. Bxb6 axb6 10. Nbd2 f5 11. Nxe4 fxe4 12. Nd2 d5 13. h3 Qh4 14.
Qe1 Qh5+ 15. Kf2 O-O+ 16. Kg1 Be6 17. Be2 Qg5 18. Nf1 Rf7 19. c4 d4 20. Bd1
e3 21. h4 Qf4 22. Bc2 Bxc4 23. Ng3 Qf2+ 24. Qxf2 exf2+ 25. Kh2 Rxa2 26. Rxa2
Bxa2 27. b3 c5 28. Ra1 c4 29. Rxa2 d3 30. Ra8+ Rf8 31. Rxf8+ Kxf8 32. Bb1 e4
33. Nf1 c3 34. Nd2 cxd2 {White resigns} 0-1
cancan99 says: hi there :D
cancan99 says: you are too lucky my friend :D
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cancan99 - Brian click and move Fraser Defense
with no notes
https://denverchess.com/Games/ViewPGN?id=3620
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cancan99 - Brian click and move Fraser Defense
with embedded notes
https://denverchess.com/Games/ViewPGN?id=3621
Brian, it is difficult to follow your games. Why noy put them in diagram form?
Congratulations! to my former team, Ponziani Power, they are now ranked #12 in Vote Chess Elo Ratings. Up from #13. I think there are about 681 teams.
That was not nice. We have not won any games that Ponz was not a participant. We are doing well in our current games largely thanks to Expertise's accurate analysis.
I've definitely made a few errors but others have caught them in time :) the most recent one being one move ago in a game!
No that wasn't nice. Ponz111 is highly valued.
Bolan_Yongshi wrote:
ponz111 wrote:
Congratulations! to my former team, Ponziani Power, they are now ranked #12 in Vote Chess Elo Ratings. Up from #13. I think there are about 681 teams.
Guess they don't need you to advance.
[Event "ICC 3 0"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2013.09.30"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Rini"]
[Black "BrianWall"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ICCResult "White disconnected and forfeits"]
[WhiteElo "2056"]
[BlackElo "2015"]
[Opening "Ponziani: Fraser defense"]
[ECO "C44"]
[NIC "KP.05"]
[Time "03:44:08"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 Nf6 4. d4 Nxe4 5. d5 Bc5 6. dxc6 Bxf2+ 7. Ke2 Bb6
8. Qd5 Nf2 9. Be3 Nxh1 10. Bxb6 axb6 11. Qxe5+ Qe7 12. Qxe7+ Kxe7 13. cxb7
Bxb7 14. g3 Rhe8 15. Bg2 Kf6+ 16. Kf1 Ba6+ 17. Kg1 Nxg3 18. hxg3 Re2 19.
Nbd2 Rae8 20. Bf1 Rxd2 21. Nxd2 Bxf1 22. Rxf1+ Kg6 23. Nf3 d6 24. Re1 Ra8
25. a3 Ra4 26. Nd4 Kf6 27. Rf1+ Ke7 28. Nf5+ Kf8 29. Nd4 Rc4 30. Kf2 g6 31.
Ke3 Ke7 32. Kd3 Rc5 33. Re1+ Kd7 34. b4 Rh5 35. a4 Rh2 36. Ra1 Rh3 37. Ne2
Kc8 38. a5 bxa5 39. bxa5 Kb7 40. a6+ Ka7 41. Ke4 h5 42. Kf4 h4 43. gxh4
Rxh4+ 44. Ke3 Rh8 45. Nd4 f5 {White disconnected and forfeits} 0-1
Information about Rini (Last disconnected Mon Sep 30 2013 03:48):
rating [need] win loss draw total best
Bullet 1856 366 324 69 759 2109 (08-Mar-2009)
Blitz 2606 [8] 67 54 14 135 2669 (19-Dec-2009)
5-minute 2343 [8] 78 61 16 155 2344 (26-Aug-2013)
1-minute 2177 [8] 159 137 16 312 2192 (19-May-2012)
3-minute 2056 1180 1074 178 2432 2252 (27-Aug-2011)
Attempt #2
[Event "ICC 3 0"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2013.09.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Rini"]
[Black "BrianWall"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ICCResult "White resigns"]
[WhiteElo "2032"]
[BlackElo "2072"]
[Opening "Ponziani: Fraser defense"]
[ECO "C44"]
[NIC "KP.05"]
[Time "07:50:12"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 Nf6 4. d4 Nxe4 5. d5 Bc5 6. dxc6 Bxf2+ 7. Ke2 Bb6
8. Qd5 Nf2 9. Qxe5+ Kf8 10. cxd7 Bxd7 11. Be3 Nxh1 12. Bxb6 axb6 13. Nbd2 f6
14. Qd4 Kf7 15. Kd1 Re8 16. Bc4+ Be6 17. Bxe6+ Rxe6 18. Qg1 Qd3 19. Qxh1 Rd8
20. Rc1 Re2 21. Rc2 Rf2 22. Kc1 Qe2 23. Nd4 Qg4 24. g3 Qh5 25. Qe1 Qxh2 26.
Qe6+ Kf8 27. b4 Qxg3 28. Kb2 Qd3 29. Qb3 Rxd2 30. Ne6+ Ke7 31. Nxd8 Qxc2+
32. Qxc2 Rxc2+ 33. Kxc2 Kxd8 {White resigns} 0-1
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Rini - Wall click and move
no notes
https://denverchess.com/Games/ViewPGN?id=3698
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Rini - Wall click and move
with embedded notes
https://denverchess.com/Games/ViewPGN?id=3699
Brian, save it to pgn, then use the diagram at the top of the chat. Follow the directions, and you'll get there!
I lost but it's OK I need the practice - basically no one knows the right lines for White yet.
IM Dorel Oltean played a bad variation and I was winning the first half of the game, in addition,
10 ... Ng4!! first and then ... dxc6!! is much stronger.
[Event "ICC 3 0"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2013.09.17"]
[Round "2"]
[White "IM Dorel Oltean"]
[Black "BrianWall"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ICCResult "Black checkmated"]
[WhiteElo "2193"]
[BlackElo "2052"]
[Opening "Ponziani: Fraser defense"]
[ECO "C44"]
[NIC "KP.05"]
[Time "00:48:12"]
[TimeControl "180+0"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 Nf6 4. d4 Nxe4 5. d5 Bc5 6. dxc6 Bxf2+ 7. Ke2 Bb6
8. Qd5 Nf2 9. Qxe5+ Kf8 10. Rg1 dxc6 11. Be3 Ng4 12. Bc5+ Kg8 13. Qe7 Qxe7+
14. Bxe7 Bxg1 15. Nxg1 Nxh2 16. Bh4 Nxf1 17. Kxf1 f6 18. Nd2 Kf7 19. Bg3 Bf5
20. Bxc7 Bd3+ 21. Kf2 Rae8 22. Rd1 Re7 23. Bg3 h5 24. Nb3 Bf5 25. Nd4 Bg4
26. Ngf3 g5 27. Nb3 Rhe8 28. Rd2 h4 29. Bh2 h3 30. gxh3 Bxh3 31. Na5 Bg4 32.
Nc4 Bxf3 33. Nd6+ Kg6 34. Nxe8 Bd5 35. Nd6 Bxa2 36. c4 f5 37. b4 f4 38. Rxa2
Kh5 39. Rxa7 Kg4 40. Rxb7 Re6 41. c5 Kh3 42. Rh7+ Kg4 43. Rg7 Kh5 44. Nf7 g4
45. Bxf4 Rf6 46. Kg3 Re6 47. Rg5# {Black checkmated} 1-0
Information about od57(IM) (Last disconnected Tue Sep 17 2013 00:54):
rating [need] win loss draw total best
Blitz 2536 [8] 545 293 55 893 2626 (20-Jan-2005)
5-minute 2421 [8] 3760 2903 652 7315 2470 (15-Aug-2009)
1-minute 1545 [8] 21 30 0 51 1613 (08-Aug-2003)
3-minute 2193 540 460 57 1057 2305 (03-Jul-2013)
1: IM Dorel Oltean
Name : Dorel Oltean
Groups : IMs
====================================================================================================
IM Dorel Oltean vs Brian Wall click and move no notes
Fraser defense to the Ponziani
https://denverchess.com/Games/ViewPGN?id=3531
=====================================================================================================
IM Dorel Oltean vs Brian Wall click and move with embedded notes
Fraser defense to the Ponziani
https://denverchess.com/Games/ViewPGN?id=3535
=====================================================================================================
3 weeks ago, same guy, same opening, but he played 10 Be3?? instead of 10 Rg1!
https://denverchess.com/Games/ViewPgn?id=2681
https://denverchess.com/Games/ViewPgn?id=2682