QGD 3.Nc3 (Help!)

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Perplexing

 I always get defeated by this variation, I appreciate all comments on how to proceed. My main problems is that

black plays b5 and there's no way to get my pawn back. 

Thanks.

 

 

 

 

Here's what happens when I try to develop and quietly attempt to take back my pawn.  

 
podge52

Doesn't 5.Qa4+ allow you to recover the pawn ?

Perplexing
podge52 wrote:

Doesn't 5.Qa4+ allow you to recover the pawn ?


So after Black plays his Nc6, I play e3? How does that work

TheOldReb

Play 4 e3  first if this line gives you problems .....

VLaurenT

or try to play it as black, and you'll soon find nice ideas for the white side Smile

Perplexing
Reb wrote:

Play 4 e3  first if this line gives you problems .....


That sounds easy enough, thanks !

podge52
Perplexing wrote:
podge52 wrote:

Doesn't 5.Qa4+ allow you to recover the pawn ?


So after Black plays his Nc6, I play e3? How does that work


How does he defend the c pawn ?

Loomis

There are other good suggestions already, but you can also try 6. Ne5 where you are threatening Qf3 forking a8 and f7 here are some tries for black, I don't know what's best:

6. ... f6 7. Qh5+ is winning for white

6. ... Nf6 7. Qf3 how can black defend the a8 rook?

6. ... Bb7 7. Qh5 g6? 8. Nxg6 fxg6? 9. Qxb5+ followed by 10. Qxb4

Ok, that last line is a bit trappy because g6 and fxg6 are mistakes, black can play Bxc3+ on those moves and avoid the fork at the end of the line and I don't know if white will get enough for the sacrificed material in that case.

Perplexing

Wow! I love that tactical approach I'm going to use it and see how people play against it, then I'll try to share

TheOldReb

That last line given by loomis is better for black :

6. ... Bb7 7. Qh5 g6? 8. Nxg6 Bxc3+ 9 bxc3  Nf6 10 Qxb5+ Bc6  11 Qxc4  hxg6

Perplexing
RainbowRising wrote:

if you stopped playing d4 you might learn some tactics too ;)


I like e4 but you can be destroyed very quickly, especially when playing against the French, or the Sicilian. 

jerry2468

the French and Sicilian doesn't necessaraly mean that you will lose, some games aare very positonal

jarkov
Perplexing wrote:
RainbowRising wrote:

if you stopped playing d4 you might learn some tactics too ;)


I like e4 but you can be destroyed very quickly, especially when playing against the French, or the Sicilian. 


lol, but getting destroyed is the best way to learn! :)

eXecute

It would be nice if some of you put your moves in a diagram so its easier to visualize.

I think this is your best response:

checkmateisnear

Try Qb3 instead of Nf3. If Bxc3 followed by

Nf6 than Bg5 threating Bxf6 forcing gxf6

 

Also the main line for that variation is:

 

VLaurenT

@eXecute Black has the intermezzo 8...Bxc3+ in your line, I think Undecided

eXecute

Yeah that didn't quite work out as I thought it would :P. But it looked cool ;P.

Sceadungen

d4/c4 in the QGD is extremely complex and you are really asking for a game of that type, Benko, Nimzo whatever, black players are well booked up on this.

Better to go 2 Nf3 cuts a lot of black options out, then build up later on to 2 c4 in your repertoire, after say 5 years.

checkmateisnear

It also prevents white from playing the exchange variation effectively. (and the exchange variation is not that complex)

FM_HOLLAND

Perplexing---> I think that in the main line white wins his pawn back with ease, usually he gets a large centre in return for passed a+b pawns, the main line is as follows: