It would be helpful to post the game. It is known to play g6 with aim of exchanging white squared bishop with Bf5, after moving around a knight to g7, Nd7-f8-e6 etc. Intending Bg7 isn't typically a priority.
Queens gambit declined exchange variation, black fianchettos bishop
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It's not really a variation there's no point of Bg7. It's not losing but white is always a little better with an easier position.
Nov 11, 2022
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Hi both, thanks for your comments. I thought similarly that there was no point in Bg7 from black but I couldn't seem to take advantage of it. I started the minority attack and got cold feet.
Ive posted game above, some pretty horrendous moves. I missed a tactic on move 14. Also after trying to prevent black getting in c5 I actually end up allowing it! But anyway as I say my question is whether I should have even went for the minority attack given that it can open up that bishop. Or should I have had another plan. Any help would be amazing
Al86a wrote:
Hi both, thanks for your comments. I thought similarly that there was no point in Bg7 from black but I couldn't seem to take advantage of it. I started the minority attack and got cold feet.
Ive posted game above, some pretty horrendous moves. I missed a tactic on move 14. Also after trying to prevent black getting in c5 I actually end up allowing it! But anyway as I say my question is whether I should have even went for the minority attack given that it can open up that bishop. Or should I have had another plan. Any help would be amazing
That's not the point you kept missing tactics and missing out on positional advantages, for instance Bxa6. There's no point playing moves from one variation in another different one you need to adapt. Honestly I would have just played 7. Nxd5.
indeed. After missing said tactic (Bxg6!) I would say your best bet was central play with 17. e4! possibly opening up c-file play & playing on the Q-side. Minority attack has nothing to do with gameplay at this point. You strategize according to what the defense gives you. Don't go into any game with a script in mind. Play the game.
(17. ... dxe4 18. Nxe4 Q moves 19. Qxc6+! any move 20. Qxc7)
edit: (10. ... Qxc6 11. Rxc6 Kd8 or Rc8 12. Rac1 winning)
oops sorry: (19. ... Qxc6 20. Rxc6 ...) 😬
Nov 12, 2022
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Thanks both,
Really appreciate your comments and your insight. I'll be sure not to focus on previous plans when I am out of book!
Dzindo07 wrote:
Honestly I would have just played 7. Nxd5.
6...g6 can't be exploited tactically like that. After 7.Nxd5 Qxd5 8.Bxf6 Bb4+ 9.Kd1 O-O the engine says 0.00 but I would prefer to be black. Similar story after 7.Bxf6 Qxf6 8.Nxd5 Qxd4.
This variation reminds me of the Grunfeld line 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bg5 Ne4 6.cxd5 Nxg5 7.Nxg5 e6 8.Nf3 exd5, where a key idea for black is later ...Bg7-f8-d6. On g7 the bishop does nothing, on d6 it aims in two directions.
yetanotheraoc wrote:
Dzindo07 wrote:
Honestly I would have just played 7. Nxd5.
6...g6 can't be exploited tactically like that. After 7.Nxd5 Qxd5 8.Bxf6 Bb4+ 9.Kd1 O-O the engine says 0.00 but I would prefer to be black. Similar story after 7.Bxf6 Qxf6 8.Nxd5 Qxd4.
This variation reminds me of the Grunfeld line 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 d5 4.Nf3 Bg7 5.Bg5 Ne4 6.cxd5 Nxg5 7.Nxg5 e6 8.Nf3 exd5, where a key idea for black is later ...Bg7-f8-d6. On g7 the bishop does nothing, on d6 it aims in two directions.
Thank you for taking your time to bless us with your expertise on reading the engine analysis.
Dzindo07 wrote:
Thank you for taking your time to bless us with your expertise on reading the engine analysis.
You have no idea how much expertise I have or don't have. But I learned through long experience two things:
- Don't type moves in a post, too easy to make typos that way. Use a GUI and then copy/paste.
- Always use that little engine button in the GUI to blunder-check my ideas. If that means you can't tell if the analysis was mine or the engine's, no great loss. At least I don't post nonsense.
Has anyone come across any resources for playing white against the queens gambit declined exchange variation where black plays g6 and Bg7? I found myself facing this OTB and was reluctant to go for the minority attack as black could play c5, which after white takes dxc5 black can push d4 which opens the eyes of his bishop!
It may be that that would have been ok however I wondered if there was a more principled way to play this opening? I have a few resources on QGD but none mention this variation at all!
Any help would be great thanks