quick shutdown to Caro-Kann advance? (for black)

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SmyslovFan
BobbyPhisher960 wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:
... dont care if there is 1 one million line that can lead to draw , but we care! 

There really are players out there, who after they lose complain, "but the position was a draw!" 

Well, so it was lost in the end. There really are stupid people out there.

Well, I'm guilty of trying to win the post-mortem in games I lost.

cuires

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nighteyes1234
SeniorPatzer wrote:

Caro-Kann Advance Variation is pretty good for White, eh?

 

Openings are not so much about the exact moves, but how they improve you as a player.

cuires

amazing !!

drmrboss
SeniorPatzer wrote:

Caro-Kann Advance Variation is pretty good for White, eh?

As, I showed in the analysed pictures, it was pretty good for white as black played 3 inaccuracies. from move 6 to 12 ( 50% of black moves are inaccurate)  . post #54. Stockfish line will be a good refutation for black. 

yureesystem

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drmrboss
StillAvailable wrote:
Farm_Hand wrote:

Ok, I looked some with stockfish.

Seems one point of Be7 is a5 and black is getting some play right away. Also like you said Qc7 instead of Nc6. This way of playing doesn't seem so uncomfortable for black. I can see things like the e5 pawn, the c file, the a5 break, and the position seems to make sense.

 

 

 

I think white should play b4! when the knight is sitting on e7, to force black to play ...Bb6, with a possible transition to the Karjakin-Topalov game. 

Possible continuation.

7.  ...Bb6 8. Bb2 O-O 9. Nbd2 Bc7 10. Bd3Ng6 11.O-O Nf4

 

Should be ok for black. Cos SF says so. null

drmrboss
Half_Ghan wrote:

What's wrong with 3... Bf5? You can get all sorts of interesting positions depending on how white proceeds.

You can play if you like Bf5. I dont play Bf5 because SF doesnt like it. 

Farm_Hand
StillAvailable wrote:
Farm_Hand wrote:

Ok, I looked some with stockfish.

Seems one point of Be7 is a5 and black is getting some play right away. Also like you said Qc7 instead of Nc6. This way of playing doesn't seem so uncomfortable for black. I can see things like the e5 pawn, the c file, the a5 break, and the position seems to make sense.

 

 

 

I think white should play b4! when the knight is sitting on e7, to force black to play ...Bb6, with a possible transition to the Karjakin-Topalov game. 

I hate to just parrot the engine like drmrboss, but ok, here's some possible stockfish continuations

Seems like black is always having some pawns to target that white will have to defend.

 

 

Farm_Hand
drmrboss wrote:
Half_Ghan wrote:

What's wrong with 3... Bf5? You can get all sorts of interesting positions depending on how white proceeds.

You can play if you like Bf5. I dont play Bf5 because SF doesnt like it. 

As silly as it is to ask an engine for the best move on move 3, it's still inaccurate to say SF "doesn't like it."

Here are some evals at various stages in its calculation.

(much more important, of course, is the positions your opening choices lead to)

 

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drmrboss

@Farm hand, You should not call me Monkey!!

Did I attack you?

Just for reminder, this forum is not a suitable place for people with your Attitude.

Moderator will ban you one day or the community will look down on you.

Farm_Hand

"engine monkey" is a normal term. I don't mean to offend you by using it. I'm sorry.

I will change it to "parrot the engine" instead, because that is the meaning behind it.

Farm_Hand

From:

https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/9503/what-would-approximately-be-the-iccf-rating-of-a-gm-with-no-external-help-and-of

 

"There is another breed of player you haven't mentioned: the engine monkey master. These are players with 2000+ ratings over the board. They could potentially try to carry out strategic plans in the middlegame, but they get so caught up in the engine analysis they end up play positionally suspect moves. They do contribute a lot to the openings and endings though"

drmrboss

ok then. I see your Engine lines. So SF prefer c5 over Bf5. If you let SF for multi PV for 10 lines, SF will show 10 lines. But SF will always play the top line or his principal variation. 

 

I mean c5 is obviously his PV. So I said SF like c5. ( or I should say, SF prefer move or best choice)

Farm_Hand

And that's how I feel about it...

I appreciate you contributing to the opening discussion. It really does seem like 3...c5 is a fine move.

But because you quote the engine, even as early as move 3, I get the feeling you don't know much about practical chess as it's played OTB where centipawns don't really matter. Even top GMs will fail to win a game when they are +2 at some point (Grischuk vs Carlsen in that benko game at Sinquefield), or will win a game after being 0.00 forever (Carlsen vs Naka last round Sinquefield)

Farm_Hand

Or even win a game where the engine says they are losing (Aronian vs Grischuk at Sinquefield last round he scarified a rook because Grischuk was low on time).

Firethorn15

Just interested, drmrboss, what does your engine say about the following line?

Because mine completely misevaluates it and doesn't understand how to play it.

poucin

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Firethorn15

At least the first couple of pages (especially the 5. a3 line, which I wasn't aware of before) were useful.

froslap

poucin wrote:

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Seriously. It's disgusting. 😏