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Reti Accepted - 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 dxc4 and now 3.Na3

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Najdorf_convert

Hello everyone, I am wondering what to play against players who take on c4 in the Reti opening. I would like to play 3.Na3 but there is this certain line that I am afraid of that are lines that involve King's Fianchetto by Black. 365chess' database even claims that 3...g6 has higher percentage of Black win,

I would like to know how to deal with this pseudo-gruenfeld opening, because it seems like Black is getting equality there. I know people say 2...dxc4 is inferior to other second moves, but not I am not sure anymore because 3...g6 seems like a refutation.

Here is my repertoire in the 3.Na3 lines.



AyoDub

Notice that the stats are only based on 20 games, so it's not really enough to draw a conclusion about how the opening fairs in practice. In any case it is definitely not a refutation, white will get an equal position with a number of possible continuations.

I should add that I do not believe 3.Na3 is a real try for an advantage, so it's unlikely that you will get much more than equality.

lolurspammed

60% draws? Wow sounds like a snore..

MainlineNovelty
Fiveofswords wrote:

character? forget character. Id say 4.d4

Did you forget about en passant or...

DrSpudnik

Na3, e3 and Qa4 are all standard moves after dxc4. The small sample size in your database doesn't indicate anything about the quality of the games played or what the optimal moves should be.

Throw the database out and play the game by looking at the position.

MainlineNovelty
Fiveofswords wrote:
MainlineNovelty wrote:
Fiveofswords wrote:

character? forget character. Id say 4.d4

Did you forget about en passant or...

oops sorry meant 5 d4...the move he was talkign about 5g3 being in character

I probably would've figured that out had I more than just skimmed the thread Tongue Out

SilentKnighte5
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Robert09050

Even if the blacl percentage is high, it is still a respected opening. Don't be impressed by that. Look at the lines after 3.Na3, find out the plans, and if you still keep losing a lot of your games after this, switch to another opening.

Oraoradeki

5.d4 seems like a huge improvement compared to 5.g3. While statistically low (looking at op's source of 365chess the position seems much better. How would the game continue after 5.d4?

Also, its not worth dropping the opening altogether just because some obscure sidelines that GMs dismiss seem to refute the opening.

TitanCG

I'm pretty sure Black can equalise regardless of what you play on move 3. Is there anything specific you don't like about 4...g6?

You can also play 3.e4 if you really want complications.

Oraoradeki

The op wants to play 3.na3, and there is nothing wrong with it. I am assuming he does not want to go in the lines of QGA.

TwoMove

Always wonder which people are saying things like 2...pxp is inferior because they are nearly always wrong, and in this case looks perfectly acceptable for QGA players. 

In the 3..a6 line, which Delchev thinks is easy equality for black, it is hard to see what constructive purpose ne3 is acheiving, so looks fine for black.

Oraoradeki

Well then, what should White play after 2...dxc4 if he has no knowledge of QGA or Queen's gambit?

I'm starting to give serious considerations to 3.Qa4+, since the ideas been played in the Catalan Opening as well.

Najdorf_convert
Kendis1 wrote:
pfren wrote:

5.d4 gives Black precisely what he's looking at: piece pressure against white's center, and d4 in particular. If someone likes that stuff as white, 3.e3 makes way more sense than 3.Na3. Actually it's Delchev's recommendation in his Reti book. Most variations will end up in typical QGA positions, with white having ruled out a few Black options.

prefen, your post is a little disjointed so I'll respond as best I can.

I assume you mean 2. d4 instead of 5. d4.  If so, then I agree that 2. d4 is a strong move in the Reti, and the one that I dislike the most when I encounter it as White.  Although 3. e3 is a good alternative akin to a reversed Modern Benoni, I prefer 3. b4, trying to steer into a reversed Benko Gambit.  Neither of these things is related to the OP's question about 2...dxc4 3. Na3, so I'm not sure what the point of your post was in this thread...

Really? Pfren's post seem to make sense while yours seem either ignorant or an attempt to derail the topic (a.k.a trolling).

Reti opening is characterised by 2.c4, 2.d4 transposes to a double queen's pawn opening.

Oraoradeki
pfren wrote:

What does a theoretical edge mean for the class player? Nothing.

Yeahh. This. Which is why I was thinking we (as White) should opt for positions where there are clear plan that we can follow. Based on the OP's diagram, i am getting convinced that the knight is misplaced on c4, it is much better off on c3. and without the stronghold on d5, i think the light squared bishop may be better placed on another diagonal instead of the h1-a8.

 

I'm curious to see the lines Delchev recommends, as both Nigel Davies's Dynamic Reti and Neil MacDonald's Starting Out: the reti both seem to dismiss 3.e3 line as boring, and unambitious (based on the reviews in their respective amazon page and jeremysilman.com).

 

3.e3 seem to have a consistent plan of playing 4.Bxc4, with the idea of eyeing f7 (c4 Bishop) and b7/a8 (with the White Queen). Here's a rough sketch of my analysis



TwoMove

Playing g6, and not following up with bg7 looks strange, and getting hit with 6Bxf7ch as mentioned with another line.

im_not_chesstroller

not good, 1.Nf3 gives away all advantage for white.