Scandinavian Open Unsound for Black? - Chess Forums - Page 2

U_G_Krishnamurti

Jun 11, 2015

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rayraynewton wrote:

While surfing the web on the Scandinavian Open, I found on 365chess.com that in (on the website) recorded games black has won 31 percent of games after exd5. White has a recorded 41 percent. Considering that this opening has always been my go to response to 1. e4 ever since I watched a local IM use this defense against 3 other IMs on my own board when I was young, it was a little upsetting to find out that this opening might not be sound for Black. The posting of comments, high-rated games, variation, etc is appreciated.

black has won 31 percent of games after exd5. White has a recorded 41 percent.. Doesn't this mean that black scores 45% (31+0.5*(100-31-41)). This doesn't look like a very discouraging score.

U_G_Krishnamurti

Jun 11, 2015

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#22

rayraynewton wrote:

While surfing the web on the Scandinavian Open, I found on 365chess.com that in (on the website) recorded games black has won 31 percent of games after exd5. White has a recorded 41 percent. Considering that this opening has always been my go to response to 1. e4 ever since I watched a local IM use this defense against 3 other IMs on my own board when I was young, it was a little upsetting to find out that this opening might not be sound for Black. The posting of comments, high-rated games, variation, etc is appreciated.

black has won 31 percent of games after exd5. White has a recorded 41 percent.. Doesn't this mean that black scores 45% (31+0.5*(100-31-41)). This doesn't look like a very discouraging score.

ponz111

Jun 11, 2015

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#23

The Center Counter/Scandinavian can be played up to about the 2300 level but after that White will probably know the refutations.

ruben72d

Jun 11, 2015

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#24

ponz111 wrote:

The Center Counter/Scandinavian can be played up to about the 2300 level but after that White will probably know the refutations.

I guess you could say the scandinavian is just as unsound as the ponziani ;)

X_PLAYER_J_X

Jun 11, 2015

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#25

ruben72d wrote:

ponz111 wrote:

The Center Counter/Scandinavian can be played up to about the 2300 level but after that White will probably know the refutations.

I guess you could say the scandinavian is just as unsound as the ponziani ;)

Ponz has already answered this statement Ruben. Ponz claims the only reason people think the ponziani opening is unsound is because SGM's are playing terrible moves at move 5. I believe it was move 5 or 4 it was def an opening mistake.

Those SGM's think they can just be so Super and mindlessly wing there way through an opening. Well they have a big surpise waiting for them. Big surpise! Ponz and Roman Dzindzichashvili are on to them.

Comparing the Scandinavian opening against the Ponziani opening outragious Ruben. Its like comparing a Little Honda vs a Rolls Royce.

They bring there queen out on move 2 in the Scandinavian open. They can not get away with Breaking chess principles like this.

They think becuase there 2700 they can just make any move they want HAHA. Well there wrong. Ponz and Roman are on to them. Its as clear as the nose on your face.

X_PLAYER_J_X

Jun 11, 2015

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#26

pfren wrote:

X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:

They bring there queen out on move 2 in the Scandinavian open. They can not get away with Breaking chess principles like this.

Sure, they can't.

World's #1 played 2...Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd8 against world's #2 at the Tromso Olympiad. He couldn't possibly get away with this, right? Well... he won.

That is exactly why when you hear people talk about there favorite GM of all time they never include Magnus carlsen. The chess community cried that day in Tromso.

Breaking Chess Principles like this outragious!

X_PLAYER_J_X

Jun 11, 2015

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#27

Amperio2100 wrote:

You are very dogmatic.

Maybe or maybe I'm just teasing. I guess you will never know. The beauty of online gaming.

csalami

Jun 11, 2015

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#28

pfren írta:

X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:

They bring there queen out on move 2 in the Scandinavian open. They can not get away with Breaking chess principles like this.

Sure, they can't.

World's #1 played 2...Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd8 against world's #2 at the Tromso Olympiad. He couldn't possibly get away with this, right? Well... he won.

Is this Qd8 variation supposed to be some sort of Caro-kann defense where you avoid certain lines? (For example no advance variation in this case)

"Breaking Chess Principles like this outragious!"

Chess principles are important, but they are not absolute. It works tactically, has some ideas, the position is not open, therefore playable.

Martin_Stahl

Jun 11, 2015

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#29

csalami wrote:

pfren írta:

X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:

They bring there queen out on move 2 in the Scandinavian open. They can not get away with Breaking chess principles like this.

Sure, they can't.

World's #1 played 2...Qxd5 3.Nc3 Qd8 against world's #2 at the Tromso Olympiad. He couldn't possibly get away with this, right? Well... he won.

Is this Qd8 variation supposed to be some sort of Caro-kann defense where you avoid certain lines? (For example no advance variation in this case)

I can't answer your question fully but after 3. Nc3, Qd8 is the 3rd most popular reply in the Scandinavian. Qa5 and Qd6 are the 1st and 2nd.

ThrillerFan

Jun 11, 2015

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#30

Amperio2100 wrote:

DamonevicSmithlov escribió:

Didn't Anand use this opening in a world title match?

I think Kasparov used the Scandinavian to beat Anand!

WRONG!

Game 14 of the 1995 World Championship Match saw Anand use it against Kasparov, got a significant advantage (Was -/+ at one point), but made a late middlegame blunder that caused Kasparov to win that game, which was the last game he won in that match, winning 4 games in a 5-game stretch after drawing the first 8 and losing the 9th. The match concluded with 4 draws, Kasparov winning 10.5-7.5. Games 19 and 20 weren't played.

Diakonia

Jun 11, 2015

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#31

"Your only task in the opening is to reach a playable middlegame."

~Lajos Portisch

I would imagine that bringing the queen out early in the opening isnt that bad, as long as you get to a playable middle game - regardless if youre breaking opening principles.

ThrillerFan

Jun 11, 2015

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#32

DamonevicSmithlov,

Nah, here's his cat:

And this is you!

Since he will crush you every time - you must be his b****!

X_PLAYER_J_X

Jun 11, 2015

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#33

Diakonia wrote:

"Your only task in the opening is to reach a playable middlegame."

~Lajos Portisch

I would imagine that bringing the queen out early in the opening isnt that bad, as long as you get to a playable middle game - regardless if youre breaking opening principles.

"Do not bring your Queen out too early." - from Francisco Bernardina Calogno's poem 'On the Game of Chess' ('De ludo scachorum') circa 1500

TheNewMikhailTal

Jun 11, 2015

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#34

*Whistling*

Don't mind me!

This is a position from a scene in a movie that probably won't be out for a few years called Double Earth. The scene will also be featured in the trailer. The movie is set in an alternate earth future that is merged with our earth's past. The movie is basically an excuse to have a bunch of very famous historical figures all in the same ridiculous movie that doesn't even take itself seriously. In the scene, Ghandi and Hitler are playing chess in London. Ghandi makes one move and exclaims "Checkmate".

This opening, by the way, is called Luigi's Opening. It's an alternate second move for white that avoids all exd5 lines. Black is best advised to transpose into a caro-kann. I believe Carlsen has a game with it, but the best he got was a draw. I showed it to my teacher and he really liked it, so he played with it a bit and invented the kind of setup featured in this game.

csalami

Jun 11, 2015

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#35

X_PLAYER_J_X írta:

Diakonia wrote:

"Your only task in the opening is to reach a playable middlegame."

~Lajos Portisch

I would imagine that bringing the queen out early in the opening isnt that bad, as long as you get to a playable middle game - regardless if youre breaking opening principles.

"Do not bring your Queen out too early." - from Francisco Bernardina Calogno's poem 'On the Game of Chess' ('De ludo scachorum') circa 1500

But such rules could always be ended with: unless you have a good reason to do so.

X_PLAYER_J_X

Jun 11, 2015

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#36

csalami wrote:

X_PLAYER_J_X írta:

Diakonia wrote:

"Your only task in the opening is to reach a playable middlegame."

~Lajos Portisch

I would imagine that bringing the queen out early in the opening isnt that bad, as long as you get to a playable middle game - regardless if youre breaking opening principles.

"Do not bring your Queen out too early." - from Francisco Bernardina Calogno's poem 'On the Game of Chess' ('De ludo scachorum') circa 1500

But such rules could always be ended with: unless you have a good reason to do so.

"Unless a player has an 'understanding chess' rating of at least 2400, the amount of significant knowledge that he can impart on others is limited." - Edmar Mednis

Diakonia

Jun 11, 2015

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#37

Quotefest 2015!

X_PLAYER_J_X

Jun 11, 2015

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#38

DamonevicSmithlov wrote:

You playing Saturday? I'm thinking of playing, I don't much. I like the club that Peter put together & since I have't played in 10 months I want to try to go.

"Shall we ever live to see the following wise prohibition - the audience is forbidden to smoke and the masters are forbidden to 'smoke out' the audience by playing exchanging variations?" - Savielly Tartakower