Scheveningen vs. Najdorf

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Spectator94
Kummatmebro wrote:

Start Najdorf and transpose into scheveninngan, thats what a lot of super GM games seem to be doing.

Yes, they do. And that often is done so to avoid the traditional Keres attack. As for me, I prefer the Keres attack in traditional Scheveningen over white's 6. Bg5 against Najdorf. So yes it is personal and both fully playable.

maskedbishop

Agreed, bring on the Keres. And play it well, because I'm always very happy when White freely and of his own choice trashes his Kingside in the opening. Tons of juicy targets :)

ghostofmaroczy
maskedbishop wrote:

Agreed, bring on the Keres. And play it well, because I'm always very happy when White freely and of his own choice trashes his Kingside in the opening. Tons of juicy targets :)

maskedbishop I like your view.

You know, though, Paul Keres was the all-time basher of the Sicilian with the White pieces.

Maybe that's just History for History's sake.

kalle99

Scheveningen is a little more practical opening you can play more on understanding than memorization of theory. But it is a relativley theorethical also of course. Its still a sicilian! If you play the scheveningen you can reach the main line through two different move orders . 1.e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 or e6. Which makes it little harder for your oponent to prepare a specific anti-sicilian line. You can avoid the sicilian Moscow by playing 2...e6. But as Mark Ginsburg explains in his excellent video on the scheveningen black should prefer 2...d6 anyhow as the sicilian Moscow nowadays is regarded as "nothing special".

 

As mentioned already "-6.Bg5 isn't good against the Scheveningen like it is Najdorf"

6.Bg5 in the Najdorf is a monster to deal with. Not so in the Scheveningen.

 

But personally I dont like to have my king under attack/fire so I avoid both these sicilian variations (I have played them both) and have now switched to the Sveshnikov sicilian.

Someone wrote : " In the sveshnikov sicilian you will never be mated " Of course it is not so...but I feel it is harder for my oponent to attack my king in the sveshnikov. In scheveningen and Najdorf my King is always very scared!

I dont really like that...but thats another topic I guess.

ghostofmaroczy
kalle99 wrote:

" In the sveshnikov sicilian you will never be mated "

This has a lot do with White's inability to castle to c1.

In the Dragon and Classical, castling to c1 gives White powerful play.

kalle99
ghostofmaroczy wrote:
kalle99 wrote:

" In the sveshnikov sicilian you will never be mated "

This has a lot do with White's inability to castle to c1.

 

In the Dragon and Classical, castling to c1 gives White powerful play.

 

 

Yes...thats a good point.And also one of whites knights goes directly to the edge of the board (a3) which keeps 1 minor piece far away from my king.

varelse1

True The Schevenigen allows the Keres and the English, but avoids the Polugaevsky.

Also avoids the Moscow, for what that's worth.

Under-The-Tide

and so how do you pronounce "Scheveningen"?

varelse1
Under-The-Tide wrote:

and so how do you pronounce "Scheveningen"?

probably wrong, like everybody else.

Undecided

Mainline_Novelty

With lots of phlegm.

varelse1

I pronounce it Sheh-VEN-ih-gen.

But I know that's not right.

MSC157

Ševeningen <- simple as that. :D

If you know how to read German, this should not be a problem.

tjepie

scheveningen is a dutch place. and nobedy in the wordl but the dutch can pronounce its name. thas is becus of the SCH. you say it like SG.

MSC157
tjepie wrote:

and nobedy in the wordl but the dutch 

My godmother's boyfriend is dutch. Does that count?

Mainline_Novelty

If you can pronounce scheveningen, you're considered an honorary dutchman

LoekBergman

Try this:

https://translate.google.com/?text=#en/nl/scheveningen

Below in the right corner you can click on the speaker icon. The pronunciation is from someone from the West part of the Netherlands.

MSC157

Šhejveningen. Haha, nice Loek, thanks! Laughing

MSC157

So the same as Schippers, superfast running girl?

LoekBergman

Exactly, she is amazing, isn't it?

And, by the way, the same as schaken (=chess).

Scheveningen (maybe) and Schild(for sure) were used as shibboleths (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth) in times of war.

Tjepie is right, that no foreigner Innocent can pronunciate it properly.

random6543

-Euwe played it first and he's underrated.

-ITS A COOL OPENING THAT NO ONE PRONOUNCES CORRECTLY

And if you don't know how to pronounce Scheveningen, how do you pronounce Euwe? It's something about the Dutch...