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Perplexing

Can someone please help explain to me why Black's second move in the sicilian should not be d5?  c5 camps out d4, and white's e pawn is exchanged

razorblade12

something like this? because it just gives white tempi for development and ultimately...you will probably lose
Perplexing

How about regaining the pawn with Nf6 first?

razorblade12

err...what do you mean? can you do a diagram for me because its easier to understand

billwall

Of course, the worse trap is to get your Queen and King pinned.

-waller-

You can play 2...d5 in the Sicilian, but it won't be much of a Sicilian any more. Looks more like a Scandinavian where you can't put your Q on a5.

Perplexing
razorblade12 wrote:

err...what do you mean? can you do a diagram for me because its easier to understand


Ok, this is what I mean

bjazz

Would you like to play a game trying your line out?

Perplexing
bjazz wrote:

Would you like to play a game trying your line out?


It's failing, White still plays d4, and I just take his pawn, but he has good piece play

razorblade12

interesting line...seems like some sort of sicilian gambit after:

of course, this is just me putting ideas out. would love someone to improve this because it looks very interesting!
dgmisal
Perplexing wrote:
razorblade12 wrote:

err...what do you mean? can you do a diagram for me because its easier to understand


Ok, this is what I mean


Umm... after c4 with natural development white is a pawn up for no compensation on the black side, at least as I read the game.

Perplexing

What about like an Icelandic gambit sort of thing?

 

razorblade12

Chess_Enigma

d5 is actually a move played in the sicilian in response to the grand prix attack. It is considered the reason why it is so uncommon. It is called the Tal Gambit.

Perplexing

Yeah, that's where I got the main idea from, I was trying to combine the ideas but there are the main reasons why you would play d5 in that situation, so i understand now

Perplexing
Chess_Enigma wrote:

d5 is actually a move played in the sicilian in response to the grand prix attack. It is considered the reason why it is so uncommon. It is called the Tal Gambit.

 


What happens if White doesn't capture the pawn, he just slides it forward to e5? do you just play like a Caro-Kann game?

Chess_Enigma
Perplexing wrote:

What happens if White doesn't capture the pawn, he just slides it forward to e5? do you just play like a Caro-Kann game?


Sorta but the position is quite different in a few ways, black probably has something like equal chances but you would need a strong masters verdict, not mine (yetTongue out).

Elubas
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Atos

d5 is not the reason that Grand Prix is uncommon since most GP players do 2. Nc3 and then 3.f4. 

Perplexing

Ok, thank you for your support