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Shivsky

I guess the OP wanted an opinion on an opening that he's going to play regardless, rather than a recommendation to play it.

There's nothing wrong with that ... everyone ought to enjoy the game the way they want to!

delboy1947

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Shivsky

Hey ... I don't think trust was ever an issue here ... we believe you :)

Just that some of us here have rather strong opinions on openings one should start out with vs. ones that relatively more experienced players play, that's all. 

Your original post also asked for a "pros vs. cons" about the opening which led to people assuming you still had a choice of playing it or not.

I wish you all the very best with this course and your progress with chess.

fissionfowl
Shivsky wrote:

I guess the OP wanted an opinion on an opening that he's going to play regardless, rather than a recommendation to play it.

There's nothing wrong with that ... everyone ought to enjoy the game the way they want to!


True.

delboy1947

All I am asking, is there anybody playing the sicilian kan that can pass onto me any info thats it!! very simple. nothing to hard

fissionfowl

Yes, we get that now.

Niven42

I ran some moves into the Game Explorer to see if I could find some master games for you.  Black's chances look pretty good after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 a6.  Here is the link to the games:

 

http://www.chess.com/opening/eco/B41_Sicilian_Defense_Kan_Variation

Niven42

I usually only look at the moves that have been played in 100 or more games.  The other ones are too small of a sample size to be of any real use, but they may give you some ideas as well.

musicalhair

I have the book mentioned earlier on the Kan and it is a good book, but I think for the original poster just follow the course you've already purchased.

 

The Kan is good, but eventually you may want more than just that set-up in your options-- but I suspect as you complete the course the part where you were told to "Learn the Kan" will just be one step on a bigger journey.  Playing with a space disadvantage is a good thing to learn.

 

Speaking for myself as someone really just learning the Kan, I feel like I will want to deviate from it much more after I finish my bout with learning it.  I feel like the Taimanov or transposing "back" (for me anyway) to a Scheveningen or Najdorf might be better against some of White's potential plans than the Kan.

delboy1947

Cheers that could be of great help!

delboy1947

The full Repertoire which I have got to learn, over time 

Defenses to learn for Black

Benko Gambit

Kings Indian attack

Scandinavian Defense

Sicilian Defense

inside these there are many other variations to learn as well

 

Openings to learn For White

 

e4-e5

Alekhine's defense

Caro-Kan defense

French defense

Pirc defense

Scandinavian defense

Sicilian defense

again 

 inside these there are many other variations to learn as well LOL

 I don't want to ask questions about all of these I am only asking about the defense Sicilian Kan, once I think I have perhaps played around 100 games and feel more in control of the kan, I will open a forum on each and every one as and when I start to learn them.

NinjaBear

I play this opening very frequently as black. Usually I set up a battery with Qc7 and Bd6 to put pressure on h2. Here's a live (3 min) chess game I played recently where white castled queen-side:

delboy1947
NinjaBear wrote:

I play this opening very frequently as black. Usually I set up a battery with Qc7 and Bd6 to put pressure on h2. Here's a live (3 min) chess game I played recently where white castled queen-side:

 


on your game you played b7 takes the knight on c6, in my course it is only ever taken by the d7 pawn,but with no explanation or reason. which leaves you thinking why? why did you take the knight that way is there a reason. thank you for your help already, but these are some of the questions I would like answered which the course don't answer or don't it matter?

 

Oh and as well,  my games are not played as well as yours!! lol I usually lose.

NinjaBear
delboy1947 wrote:
NinjaBear wrote:

I play this opening very frequently as black. Usually I set up a battery with Qc7 and Bd6 to put pressure on h2. Here's a live (3 min) chess game I played recently where white castled queen-side:

 


on your game you played b7 takes the knight on c6, in my course it is only ever taken by the d7 pawn,but with no explanation or reason. which leaves you thinking why? why did you take the knight that way is there a reason. thank you for your help already, but these are some of the questions I would like answered which the course don't answer or don't it matter?

 

Oh and as well,  my games are not played as well as yours!! lol I usually lose.


I almost never use dxc6 because white can play Qxd8. After Kxd8 black cannot castle. For example:

 

Notice that in the original game by not taking with dxc6 I am able to later play:

18... d5, which helps maintain control in the center.

NinjaBear

Forgot to mention... the only time I play dxc6 is when my queen and rook are connected, for example:

Elubas

Personally, I think you can learn tactics from studying master games and tactical puzzles, and that it's not necessary to play certain openings that are "supposed" to teach you these things in actual play if you don't want to.

The truth is, tactics (and lots of them), should turn up in any game if one is trying to win, it's just that more positional openings tend to start out with planning and maneouvering, but this doesn't mean there won't be tactics, just that the confrontation is delayed. The king's indian can close the center, yet once lines start to open on the kingside, it becomes EXTREMELY tactical.

delboy1947
NinjaBear wrote:

Forgot to mention... the only time I play dxc6 is when my queen and rook are connected, for example:

 


I would just like to say thanks, for your time explaining some of the problems I had with the learning of this defense, I will now try to examine your explanation, but your words seem to make a great deal of sense, anything else you have on this defense that you might think that I would be interested in please post it here, once again several people have replied with good and positive answers, yours being the tops so far, Thank You NinjaBear, good info

delboy1947

Thanks I will look at that one, I have been using b5 but later on, I will review it and if it feels good I will try it cheers, any other tips?

delboy1947
NinjaBear wrote:
delboy1947 wrote:
NinjaBear wrote:

I play this opening very frequently as black. Usually I set up a battery with Qc7 and Bd6 to put pressure on h2. Here's a live (3 min) chess game I played recently where white castled queen-side:

 


on your game you played b7 takes the knight on c6, in my course it is only ever taken by the d7 pawn,but with no explanation or reason. which leaves you thinking why? why did you take the knight that way is there a reason. thank you for your help already, but these are some of the questions I would like answered which the course don't answer or don't it matter?

 

Oh and as well,  my games are not played as well as yours!! lol I usually lose.


I almost never use dxc6 because white can play Qxd8. After Kxd8 black cannot castle. For example:

 

 

Notice that in the original game by not taking with dxc6 I am able to later play:

18... d5, which helps maintain control in the center.


See on my course, it tells you to put Qc7 before putting knight on c6 so that don't happen then, therefore you can take knight on c6 with d7 avoiding exchanging queens.

Don't know if this makes any difference

delboy1947
Shivsky wrote:

Try the book by Johan Hellsten, I'm currently reading it and it seems to be easy to absorb.

Of course, when you play the Kan, I hope you do realize that it has you playing the black pieces with a space disadvantage and delayed development. The games ARE however quite rich in strategic content and less "wham, bam, thank you m'am"  between two decent players.

If (and only if) your chess.com rating accurately tracks your current playing strength, I'd recommend you read up any other system where you can flex your tactical muscles from the get-go ... and come back to the Kan when you're a little stronger.


Yes Got the book by Johan Hellston  thanks it's a great book and a mind of information about the kan it answers a lot of my questions within a few pages, 

Thank you for pushing me in that direction