Smith-Morra Gambit

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i hate people who expect their opponent to play nothing but the best move, to all you nubs that hope for your opponent to mess up, you need to start playing 2000s in online chess, then youll mature into a better chess player

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oh btw, im not being a hippocrit, my actual online chess rating is on Derose1

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Echeque wrote:
Atos wrote:

According to 365.com, 3. dxc3 is both more popular and scores more wins for the Black than 3. ...d3.

3... dxc3  4650

38.2 % 19.9 % 41.9 %  

3... d3  1228

34 % 27 % 39 %  

It seems that 3. ...d3 somewhat reduces the Black's chances of losing, but also of winning.

 


  A winning percentage for Black using 3...d3 vs the Smith-Morra Gambit of 39% is excellent. A total combined win/draw percentage for Black of 66% is fantastic. I wouldn't encourage anyone playing White to use an opening like the Smith-Morra Gambit that had Black winning and/or drawing most of the time. The idea is to win if you can, not lose, of course. 


I use the Smith Morra mostly as a blitz weapon, as there are certain lines in 3. dxc3 that are solid enough for Black that I wouldn't want to deal with them in a long game. However, if I knew that the opponent was going to play 3 ...d3 I would probably use it. The reason Smith Morra is unpopular on top level is emphatically NOT 3. ...d3 as you pretend.

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Echeque wrote:
Atos wrote:
Echeque wrote:
Atos wrote:

According to 365.com, 3. dxc3 is both more popular and scores more wins for the Black than 3. ...d3.

3... dxc3  4650

38.2 % 19.9 % 41.9 %  

3... d3  1228

34 % 27 % 39 %  

It seems that 3. ...d3 somewhat reduces the Black's chances of losing, but also of winning.

About your complaint above, nobody insulted you in any horrible way, although it seems that a few people found your smug comments rather irritating.


  No smug comments at all, just stating facts. What was and is irritating, are the nasty, uncalled for personal attacks. We're here to discuss chess, not attack people we don't even know.


There were no personal attacks. You were the one who went on about your use of 3. ...d3 in tournaments, so it's only natural to point out that your opponents were likely not top-flight players. 


 Calling someone arrogant is of course a personal attack.  Further, you don't know me or the players I play, so you have no basis to make such an absurd statement.

 

 


Okay, so would you tell us your Fide rating and your opponents ?

So, it's "absurd" to claim that your are not a top player ?

Your blitz rating here is in 1600s, and your standard rating in the 1200s and you claim to be a strong tournament player ?

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You really are a bore.

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lebronjames6 wrote:

oh btw, im not being a hippocrit, my actual online chess rating is on Derose1


Hic Rodos, hic salta.

Get a decent rating here before you start lecturing others.

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I think you might like the following continuation: 1. e4 c5 2. d4 d5 3. dxc5!?

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Echeque wrote:
Atos wrote:
lebronjames6 wrote:

oh btw, im not being a hippocrit, my actual online chess rating is on Derose1


Hic Rodos, hic salta.

Get a decent rating here before you start lecturing others.


  Online ratings mean diddily-squat.  Chess for fun, (online), and chess for blood (face-to-face tournaments), are two entirely different worlds.


Yada yada, yes I know you are a great player in tournaments, here you don't take it seriously... yada yada.

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3...dxc3 followed by a Schevenigan (still cant spell it) setup is really good and much better than 3...d3 in my opinion: I did infinite analysis with Rybka earlier this month and here are the results:

Of course not every white try was analyzed though but you don't have to even go deep in the lines to see that Black is fine with 3...dxc3 with the d6/e6 Schevenigan-like setup used, and he has a pawn plus which he would not have in the 3...d3 variation.
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Echeque wrote:
Atos wrote:
Echeque wrote:
Atos wrote:
lebronjames6 wrote:

oh btw, im not being a hippocrit, my actual online chess rating is on Derose1


Hic Rodos, hic salta.

Get a decent rating here before you start lecturing others.


  Online ratings mean diddily-squat.  Chess for fun, (online), and chess for blood (face-to-face tournaments), are two entirely different worlds.


Yada yada, yes I know you are a great player in tournaments, here you don't take it seriously... yada yada.


 

  You're such a, "bore", yada, yada, yada.  :)

You should consider being called a bore as a compliment.

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Echeque wrote:
Atos wrote:
Echeque wrote:
Atos wrote:
Echeque wrote:
Atos wrote:
lebronjames6 wrote:

oh btw, im not being a hippocrit, my actual online chess rating is on Derose1


Hic Rodos, hic salta.

Get a decent rating here before you start lecturing others.


  Online ratings mean diddily-squat.  Chess for fun, (online), and chess for blood (face-to-face tournaments), are two entirely different worlds.


Yada yada, yes I know you are a great player in tournaments, here you don't take it seriously... yada yada.


 

  You're such a, "bore", yada, yada, yada.  :)

You should consider being called a bore as a compliment.


  Sir, if you persist in violating forum rules with the harassment, you will leave me with no other choice. Kindly knock it off.

                                     Thank you. 


Shut up already, trolling idiot. Who would "harrass" such a boring insect as you ?

Na na na, yada yada, bla bla.

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Atos you're one drunk idiot, just bcz no girl even looks at you u don't have to trash other ppl, get a life!

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Trying to harrass ppl here on the site shows nothing but your stupidity, ur useless individual ur just taking up space, u do nothing to contribute to society, drunken idiot...

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haha keep on coming the dirty words :) ur just showing what u really are, which is nothing!! :)

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Keep sucking, Jason.

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Smith Morra gambit still rules!!

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RazaAdeelAgha wrote:

Smith Morra gambit still rules!!


 

Bryon_doyle, you posted the following:

 

"I hate to break it to you, but IM taylor's work is old and outdated,  1993 are you serious??  GM Lenderman has shown that 6 ...a6  probably just outright loses!  let me show you some of the little work he has done on that line!

1)e4 c5   2) d4 cxd4  3) c3  dxc3  4) nxc3 nc6  5)nf3  d6  6) bc4!  a6??  (e6 is only move)  7) e5! dxe5 8)Qxd8 nxd8 9)Nd5 Ne6 10)Nb6  Rb8  11)nxe5 Nf6 12) nxf7! kxf7 13) bf4!  winning the exchange and your pawn back,  that line has killed 6) ...a6  and it is no longer played at the high levels ...  but of course there are still lots of good lines for black,  I know 3-4 good declined lines for black,  one which is  VERY good for black, and there are 3 good accepted lines for black as well,  so the gambit is..  a chess game,  there is no perfect way for black to destroy it, just as the gambit does not guarentee white an advantage,  its playable,  but 2) nf3 is probably better, from a theoritical point of view.  but if gambits are your style, than its one you can add to your repitoire"

I hate to break it to you!  Lenderman's idea after 6...a6 of 7.e5!? has been refuted.  IM Mark Ginsburg published the refutation Oct. 19, 2008.  The main line goes: 6...a6 7.e5!? e6! 8.exd6 Bxd6 9.Qe2 Nf6 10.0-0 0-0 11.Rd1 Qc7 12. Bg5 Ng4! 13.g3 h6 14.Ne4 Bb4 15.a3 Ba5 16.b4 Bb6 17.Bd2 e5 18.Bc3 Re8 19.h3 Nxf2! 20.Nxf2 e4!  Suddenly White is busted.  He is really regretting these g3 and h3 moves in front of his king.  A very nice variation to illustrate Black's possibilities. 

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I had read a work about 6...a6 once I believe, as a white-morra supporter however I had to say that taylor was very confident about 6...a6, this might be closer to the truth then 3...d3 being an answer to everything but I am not convinced at all that white has suddenly lost the ability to play a game of chess. I have initially been inspired by (GM?) Lenderman's videos on the smith-morra although he is overly positive, it is hard to find a neutral person to talk about this opening as all I see is people who either are convinced they have the ability to break an entire opening without the hours, days, weeks or months of work spent into it's theory, well actually that's all I see as the people trying to defend this fair opening have been pretty reasonable. Although some have decided to react a little too much on a certain troll who has only continued his statement for the sake of an argument.

 

Not only do I not believe 3...d3 is a complete refutation and puts white in a worse position but I also believe that it is one of the weaker options in a case of where someone has all the theory available to him/her. Now if your argument is that most people, including either all or nearly all of us do not have this knowledge then the same can be said for 3...d3 or 6...a6.

 

As to contribute for the sake of keeping the smith-morra gambit alive I'll add a recent game of mine where I(with win chances even) secured a draw against a much stronger player in an OTB match. No databases in this game, just 2 men, playing for the sake of their respective clubs, with a beer in one hand and a fist raised at the rowdy billiards players in the side room.

 

Damn they were noisy.