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Dark_Falcon

Oct 22, 2014

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lolurspammed hat geschrieben:

Most people at my club are rated 1500+ with the an average rating of around 1800 probably for the regulars, so If I want to win I'm not confident about playing something that will put me in a worse position, when I want an advantage. Hoping my opponent makes mistakes is hope chess...

iam a specialist in hope and caveman chess...

When you blunder a piece, your super duper standard opening wont help you.

The theoretical soundness of openings are totally overestimated on club chess level.

Thats for sure....

Inyustisia

Oct 22, 2014

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#22

oooooooh this is getting heated keep me entertained

this is the beauty of chess, people have their own beliefs about the "best" way to play and what degree of "uncorrectness" is acceptable ("i know that this is not optimal, but if it works!"). even the more incorrect players should be able to admit when their openings are not working anymore, though, or they might be responsible for his next plateau.

i used to score badly against this... until i started playing 4 e4 instead of taking on d6 immediately. :D then i believe that Nc6 Bb5 can't be what black wants, so Nd7 exd6 is probably "best" but placing the knight on d7 in this kind of position seems like quite a concession imo.

I_Am_Second

Oct 22, 2014

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#23

Dark_Falcon wrote:

I_Am_Second hat geschrieben:

Dark_Falcon wrote:

I_Am_Second hat geschrieben:

lolurspammed wrote:

melvinbluestone wrote:

pfren wrote:

This is a standard attitude:

Whenever we play a crap opening which drops material for nothing against a patzer, and we win bevause he blundered something really fat, then we attribute our win to our amazing opening.

Whenever we play it against a strong player (the usual practice is inflating his ELO by 100 points at least) and lose, we claim that we had the guy on the ropes, but we played a "very slight inaccuracy" which he was lucky enough to exploit. Sometimes this "slight inaccuracy" is translated to a couple of pieces, which we suckrificed to give a couple of checks.

As usual, "wet blanket" IM pfren casts a pall over the entire Blackburne-Hartlaub issue. I just don't understand what this guy has against "crap openings"?

Maybe he doesn't like crap

Or maybe its because every new chess player thinks they are Mikhail Tal, and they are the most agreessive/tactical player on the planet. I shouldnt complain, it was these types of players that taught me to appreciate my opponents poor opening choices, and to thank them for the rating points.

Which rating points do you mean? a few of your gigantic 1300´s?

To be honest...on your level of chess you can play almost every opening, including 1.f3 or 1.h4...it wouldnt affect the outcoming of the game.

Which game on your level is decided by having a pawn more or less?

its decided by major or minor blunders...

Maybe you have beaten some low rated gambit players, because they only knew little or nothing about the opening they have played.

Playing crappy openings is a good choice on club level, cause the majority of players are on an unknown territory and most often they dont know what to do, when they face a gambit for the very first time in their life.

Especially against booked-up standard openings its a great weapon, cause all of their preparation is for the garbage can, when they dont know what to do after move 2 or 3.

In the past i was playing these mainstrea stuff and my ratings didnt moved very much up or down...since ive been constantly playing crappy openings all of my ratings went up...OTB, blitz and even in correspondence.

So what?

Hahahahaha...Thank You Mr. Condescending. "on your level of chess"

What level am i may i ask?

Compare your ratings and my ratings...then you will have the answer...

And you are playing high fashioned standard openings, while i play oldschool bullshit openings.

Maybe i think iam the reincarnated Mikhail Tal, but then you are thinking you are the new Magnus Carlsen...

A rating is just a number my friend...and not even an accurate one at that. If youre basing your ability on a chess.com rating, i would rethink that.

Dark_Falcon

Oct 22, 2014

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#24

pfren hat geschrieben:

Brilliant opening strategy: You suckrifice a couple of pieces in the opening, so there is no chance to blunder them later...

Hey, my old bearded greek friend :D

Still alive? Where have you been in the last months?

Its always a pleasure to meet you...

Dark_Falcon

Oct 22, 2014

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#25

@lolurspammed & I_am_Second: The difference between both of you and someone like IM pfren is, that he is arguing with facts (although he can be very provocative) and he shows the critical lines, so its very helpful for unsound opening players and standard opening players. But patzers like you are can only say "yeah, its bad,dont play it for some reason..." but you dont know why, thats the problem

I_Am_Second

Oct 22, 2014

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#26

Dark_Falcon wrote:

@lolurspammed & I_am_Second: The difference between both of you and someone like IM pfren is, that he is arguing with facts (although he can be very provocative) and he shows the critical lines, so its very helpful for unsound opening players and standard opening players. But patzers like you are can only say "yeah, its bad,dont play it for some reason..." but you dont know why, thats the problem

I dont think anyone is saying dont play weak openings. If that is what you chose to play, then carry on! I just wish i ran into players like yourself at tournaments.

lolurspammed

Oct 22, 2014

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#27

And because he's a much stronger player than any of us. I'm saying it's not as good as some more solid openings because stronger players have also stated it. Any opening is playable but some are technically

I_Am_Second

Oct 22, 2014

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#28

lolurspammed wrote:

And because he's a much stronger player than any of us. I'm saying it's not as good as some more solid openings because stronger players have also stated it. Any opening is playable but some are technically

1.a4 is playable :-)

lolurspammed

Oct 22, 2014

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#29

It is, and I'm sure Falcon would play that move as well because "it gives queenside space" or some silly reason.

I_Am_Second

Oct 22, 2014

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#30

lolurspammed wrote:

It is, and I'm sure Falcon would play that move as well because "it gives queenside space" or some silly reason.

I wasnt making fun of him for his opening choices, but i think he took it that way. Those crazy openings work great when it comes to speed, and blitz. But like i said before, I wish i ran into them at tournaments during a long time control.

Dark_Falcon

Oct 22, 2014

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#31

I_Am_Second hat geschrieben:

lolurspammed wrote:

It is, and I'm sure Falcon would play that move as well because "it gives queenside space" or some silly reason.

I wasnt making fun of him for his opening choices, but i think he took it that way. Those crazy openings work great when it comes to speed, and blitz. But like i said before, I wish i ran into them at tournaments during a long time control.

This is what many players think...unsound openings are only playable in blitz or bullet, but i think its also playable in long time controls.

When you dont know the right responses, because amateur players, like we all are, cant invest too much time in learning opening theory, wont find the critical lines over the board.

I play these crap openings for several years now, with really good success.

What do you think is the most common response i meet when playing the Latvian (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5)...its the coward move 3.d3, which is not bad at all, but can hardly described as a refutation of the Latvian, because there are many better ways to test it, like 3.Nxe5 or 3.Nc3. But playing the critical lines means, that you have to do deal with these openings and i often play sidelines, you never saw OTB, like 3.Nxe5 Nf6?! or 3...Nc6?!

Do you know the right replies on this ones?

SilentKnighte5

Oct 22, 2014

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#32

I'm going to start saying "suckrifice" regularly.

lolurspammed

Oct 23, 2014

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#33

I play Nc3 against the Latvian so I'm good on that one

lolurspammed

Oct 23, 2014

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#34

Facing the Latvian in blitz might be a bit tough but with standard time controls I think blacks counter play can be neutralized with sensible moves..

I_Am_Second

Oct 23, 2014

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#35

Dark_Falcon wrote:

I_Am_Second hat geschrieben:

lolurspammed wrote:

It is, and I'm sure Falcon would play that move as well because "it gives queenside space" or some silly reason.

I wasnt making fun of him for his opening choices, but i think he took it that way. Those crazy openings work great when it comes to speed, and blitz. But like i said before, I wish i ran into them at tournaments during a long time control.

This is what many players think...unsound openings are only playable in blitz or bullet, but i think its also playable in long time controls.

When you dont know the right responses, because amateur players, like we all are, cant invest too much time in learning opening theory, wont find the critical lines over the board.

I play these crap openings for several years now, with really good success.

What do you think is the most common response i meet when playing the Latvian (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5)...its the coward move 3.d3, which is not bad at all, but can hardly described as a refutation of the Latvian, because there are many better ways to test it, like 3.Nxe5 or 3.Nc3. But playing the critical lines means, that you have to do deal with these openings and i often play sidelines, you never saw OTB, like 3.Nxe5 Nf6?! or 3...Nc6?!

Do you know the right replies on this ones?

As painful as it is, I do prepare for those crazy sidelines, because you never know when oyou might see one of them. If those openings work for you then keep on keeping on :-) I view them as cheap tricks, and lack of opening book knowledge, but again thats just me.

JonHutch

Oct 23, 2014

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#36

Dark_Falcon is right, you can't underestimate gambit lines at club level even for otb. One inaccuracy and a loss can follow for both sides. 1800 club players can afford to play them. I understand why masters don't, but for club I don't see why not.

lolurspammed

Oct 23, 2014

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#37

Good thing masters go to my club

Robert_New_Alekhine

Oct 23, 2014

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#38

Robert_New_Alekhine

Oct 23, 2014

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#39

dark-falcon wrote:

I_Am_Second hat geschrieben:

lolurspammed wrote:

It is, and I'm sure Falcon would play that move as well because "it gives queenside space" or some silly reason.

I wasnt making fun of him for his opening choices, but i think he took it that way. Those crazy openings work great when it comes to speed, and blitz. But like i said before, I wish i ran into them at tournaments during a long time control.

This is what many players think...unsound openings are only playable in blitz or bullet, but i think its also playable in long time controls.

When you dont know the right responses, because amateur players, like we all are, cant invest too much time in learning opening theory, wont find the critical lines over the board.

I play these crap openings for several years now, with really good success.

What do you think is the most common response i meet when playing the Latvian (1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5)...its the coward move 3.d3, which is not bad at all, but can hardly described as a refutation of the Latvian, because there are many better ways to test it, like 3.Nxe5 or 3.Nc3. But playing the critical lines means, that you have to do deal with these openings and i often play sidelines, you never saw OTB, like 3.Nxe5 Nf6?! or 3...Nc6?!

Do you know the right replies on this ones?

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see my analysis above. I've beaten experts before. and in sound openings. I would have even better chances against you if you played this against me. There is nothing to be scared of in this gambit>>> white does not have any weaknesses to attack.

Dark_Falcon

Oct 23, 2014

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#40

Robert0905 hat geschrieben:

Sorry, but your analysis is crap...of course i castle long instead of 0-0, i also delay Nf6 to develop my queenside first and i bring my queen to e7 to have vis-a-vis with my rook on d8 and the white queen on d1.

Of course, it maybe not worth one pawn...but you have to show the best play for black and not the worst one...