The c3 sicilian

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RubenHogenhout
Delugiansurvivor schreef:
RooksAreCannons wrote:
Delugiansurvivor escribió:
RooksAreCannons wrote:

Easiest game??? LOL you clearly never played it or against it

Which would you suggest gives black the easiest game after: e4 e5, Nf3 Nc6 if not the ponziani? (talking about respectable openings which the ponziani clearly is)

The ponziani gives the hadest or the easiest becouse it's very sharp and double edged

I agree with you on it being the sharpest option (maybe the evans is sharper but it can be avoided) but it still believe that f6 neutralizes the attack

 

I thought after 7.0-0 Bd7 was the move and then go for 0-0-0


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pfren

I like 3...Nf6 (4.d4 exd4 5.e5 Nd5) against the Ponziani. Black has a very good game, and the whole line can also be used against the Goring gambit.

DevilishApples123
bong711 wrote:

The 2. c3 or Alapin Sicilian is used by GMs, IMs and.NMs to draw against higher rated players. And crush equal and lower rated players. A must learn variation by Sicilian players.no

DevilishApples123
DevilishApples123 wrote:
bong711 wrote:

The 2. c3 or Alapin Sicilian is used by GMs, IMs and.NMs to draw against higher rated players. And crush equal and lower rated players. A must learn variation by Sicilian players.no

actually the c3 sicilian is not used to draw. I play it and beat people way higher rated than me like 2000's so it must be better than that. no game is drawn out of the opening, that would be ludicrous.

DrChesspain

My Kingbase-2017 database has 544 master level games with the Ponziani from years 2000-2017.

Ziggy_Zugzwang

I recently lost a against a c3 Sicilian OTB. I had decided to play the main black antidote. I had drawn against the same player with a different variation but decided I needed to jump into the deep end. One variation that could have occurred is shown in this position:

 
Perhaps you may wish to look at this position for a minute or two before reading past the
filler. It is white to move.
 
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Fritz 11 give this as very marginal 0.12 in white's favour.
 
On checking the 365chess general database:
 
White plays Re1 in 121 games. BLACK scores 48.8%/38%/13.2%
White plays h3 in 94 games. BLACK scores 62.8%/27.7%/9.5%
and others where white isn't doing so well.
 
I just like black's deployment. At a slight space disadvantage he has swapped off a couple of knights as per "Simple Chess" rules. What my defeat told me is that black's main aim has to be to make sure the pawn on e5 doesn't remain there
 

 

Tdrev
Ziggy_Zugzwang wrote:

I recently lost a against a c3 Sicilian OTB. I had decided to play the main black antidote. 

 

im a little curious what is the main antidote? how did you end up in that position? was it 1.e4 c5 2.c3 d5?

my137thaccount

2...e6 is also pretty good, though it allows a transposition to the Advance French

my137thaccount

I like the French so I wouldn't mind playing this, especially as if white avoids the transposition the positions seem similar to the French Tarrasch with 3...c5. However, it's probably reasonable that people who are playing the Sicilian stick to the Sicilian, as there's already a ton of Anti-Sicilian and Open Sicilian theory to contend with happy.png

Ziggy_Zugzwang
BusyNight wrote:
Ziggy_Zugzwang wrote:

I recently lost a against a c3 Sicilian OTB. I had decided to play the main black antidote. 

 

im a little curious what is the main antidote? how did you end up in that position? was it 1.e4 c5 2.c3 d5?

 I'll give the full game. Not my finest achievement... It show how the e5 pawn can create a wedge. The white diagonal to the black king becomes exposed... I decide to accept a weakness to eliminate this, then lose h7 and then collapse. White players of the c3 Sicilian may feel smug, yet after checking the possibilities along the way, I'm confident of not getting crushed so quickly in this line in the near future::

(I'm sorry I've been struggling for ten minutes to load the game. No doubt the problem is because of "improvements".)

 

But yes, it was 2...Nf6

Tdrev

lol its ok. 2...Nf6 is a good move. i play c3 sicilian myself

kindaspongey

The "kicked" comment was from PolarPhoenix, reacting to an August 27, 2018 post in another thread.

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense?page=2

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/chess-openings/a-bust-to-the-sicilian-defense?page=50

Lion_XVI

No... he is a sinister idiot.

MorphysMayhem
DevilishApples123 wrote:
DevilishApples123 wrote:
bong711 wrote:

The 2. c3 or Alapin Sicilian is used by GMs, IMs and.NMs to draw against higher rated players. And crush equal and lower rated players. A must learn variation by Sicilian players.no

actually the c3 sicilian is not used to draw. I play it and beat people way higher rated than me like 2000's so it must be better than that. no game is drawn out of the opening, that would be ludicrous.

ditto