BTW, the first is the Berlin.
The second most hated opening
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Apr 3, 2017
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#3
Well, I think the fact that white has played exd5, freeing black's light squared bishop for nothing, will offset any issues with c4.
Apr 3, 2017
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#4
4. c4 is neither best nor worst move in the French Exchange framework. Why don't U play solid moves like 4. Bd3, 4. Nf3 or 4. Nc3 ?
Using the words "worst" and "best" are really biased and subjective.
Yigor wrote:
4. c4 is neither best nor worst move in the French Exchange framework. Why don't U play solid moves like 4. Bd3, 4. Nf3 or 4. Nc3 ?
To avoid the closed positions of the French, the French exchange will work, and c4 is the move to play if you are playing for an advantage.
Cherub_Enjel wrote:
Well, I think the fact that white has played exd5, freeing black's light squared bishop for nothing, will offset any issues with c4.
The pin on f3 can be maintained with the correct defence and pawn sacs, and the freed Bishop is better, but c4 is meant to cause a isolated queen pawn structure.
Apr 3, 2017
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#8
You can try it, but the development for black looks really easy, and black can play various setups I'm sure.
Cherub_Enjel wrote:
You can try it, but the development for black looks really easy, and black can play various setups I'm sure.
I have tried it for over a year, and it works well. Here's a recent game, where there was a sneaky trap with this opening.
One of the best games I've ever played came with this line. I don't think this is a 'hated' opening, but certainly French Exchange with c4 is not the type of position most French players want to face. I think that's an important consideration when choosing opening variations. If someone plays the King's Gambit, they probably don't want a dry, positional game. If someone plays the French, they probably don't want a wide open, IQP game. If you can do turn the game into these types of position, you can get a psychological advantage, if perhaps not any real chess advantage.
yep.
Apr 4, 2017
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#12
Some people think that 4.c4 is White's best chance in the exchange. Anyway I like it because it resolves the center quickly and we just play some kind of normal position. Anyway I've had a LOT of people actually grab on c4 immediately leading to a queen's gambit accepted that Avrukh actually advocates in one of his books so that's nice.
GM Miezis is a player that has used this quite a lot form the move order 1.c4 e6 2.e4 d5 3.ed cd 4.d4.
Yes. Though the main line is 1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 exd5 4. c4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Be7 6. Nf3 O-O 7. Be2
Although I play 7.cxd4 Nxd4 8. Bc4
After exchange instead of 4. c4 I like 4. c3
why is the PB attack considered worthy of so much theory when the MC has basically none? only difference is black has no c pawn instead of no e pawn. CK players hate Panov Botvinnik for pretty much the same reasons.
Apr 5, 2017
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#16
the most hated opening is the kadas opening. the second most hated is the ware opening.
Apr 5, 2017
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#17
I love the Montecarlo! I always had problems against french players... not now LOL
Sure is not a definitive opening or something like that, but in my current level is a pretty nice opening and white has an easy development, so the ideas are simple.
Apr 5, 2017
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#19
spawkle529 wrote:
Using the words "worst" and "best" are really biased and subjective.
I can use the words worst and best without bias!
After 1.f3 e5, the WORST move by White is 2.g4 and the BEST move by Black is 2...Qh4!
Apr 5, 2017
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#20
Kann_Artist wrote:
why is the PB attack considered worthy of so much theory when the MC has basically none? only difference is black has no c pawn instead of no e pawn. CK players hate Panov Botvinnik for pretty much the same reasons.
Black's ability to develop the light-squared bishop actively gives him extra defensive resources. It's also possible for Black to develop the knight to e7 and then f5 in this position. Black can't do that in the Panov-Botvinnik.
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