The sharpest or most tactical d4 opening?

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Which is the sharpest or most tactical d4 opening for black? I think the king's indian is a good one but I hate the exchange variations.

I think your question requires white to play ball and go for sharp lines as with d4 its difficult for black alone to impose a sharp line. The Kings Indian for me is more of a longer term positional debate. The Dutch is worth a try if seeking out tactics and possible king assaults, again white may choose a slow path or even the Staunton to liven it up a bit.

>:)

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Interesting social attitude & writing skills by someone who is supposedly a MIT graduate, I must admit you really break the norm.

When did you go to MIT and in which lab did you work? I am very keen to see if that lab had a chessplayer who was a student during your claimed period.

costelus

OK, let's leave Erik to deal with cheaters (it seems he admires them, that's why there are so many on chess.com).

I'd like to know: after 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 what are the options for Black, other than King's indian (2...g6) or transposing into Queen's gambit? I've always found Queen's gambit difficult to play. Especially in blitz games Black might not be able to push e5 and White gets a pretty strong attack.

hackattack

you could play 2..g6 and if they play c4 then you can play d5 to transpose into a Gruenfeld,

or you can play e6 to get an indian defence

CarlMI

Play 2. ... c5 and look into Benoni, Benko, Blumenfeld, etc.

Scarblac
costelus wrote: I'd like to know: after 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 what are the options for Black, other than King's indian (2...g6) or transposing into Queen's gambit? I've always found Queen's gambit difficult to play. Especially in blitz games Black might not be able to push e5 and White gets a pretty strong attack.

Options include at least e6, d6, b6, c5... I've seen it argued that 2...b5!? punishes white for 2.Nf3, but that may not be your cup of tea. The other moves are of course likely to eventually transpose into various more popular lines.

Basically white's not very forcing setup leaves many options open for black.

costelus
Scarblac wrote:
costelus wrote: I'd like to know: after 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 what are the options for Black, other than King's indian (2...g6) or transposing into Queen's gambit? I've always found Queen's gambit difficult to play. Especially in blitz games Black might not be able to push e5 and White gets a pretty strong attack.

Options include at least e6, d6, b6, c5... I've seen it argued that 2...b5!? punishes white for 2.Nf3, but that may not be your cup of tea. The other moves are of course likely to eventually transpose into various more popular lines.

Basically white's not very forcing setup leaves many options open for black.


OK. I would like to know which of these options leads to an open, tactical game, without requiring you to know too much theory. Of course, the more theory you know, the better.

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costelus wrote:
Scarblac wrote:
costelus wrote: I'd like to know: after 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 what are the options for Black, other than King's indian (2...g6) or transposing into Queen's gambit? I've always found Queen's gambit difficult to play. Especially in blitz games Black might not be able to push e5 and White gets a pretty strong attack.

Options include at least e6, d6, b6, c5... I've seen it argued that 2...b5!? punishes white for 2.Nf3, but that may not be your cup of tea. The other moves are of course likely to eventually transpose into various more popular lines.

Basically white's not very forcing setup leaves many options open for black.


OK. I would like to know which of these options leads to an open, tactical game, without requiring you to know too much theory. Of course, the more theory you know, the better.


KID (2..d6) and Benoni/Benko (2. ..c5) lead to tactical struggles many times but I wouldn't call them open. Generally sharp and little theory are hard to find together, if it is sharp, some GM in all these years would make an analysis to have an advantage over his opponents.

Scarblac
costelus wrote: OK. I would like to know which of these options leads to an open, tactical game, without requiring you to know too much theory. Of course, the more theory you know, the better.

It's 1.d4. If white doesn't want to, there's not going to be an open, tactical game.

costelus

That's what I thought :). OK, then what would be a recommendation for an easy-to-play opening? Honestly, in queen's gambit I was unable many times to make the e5 push and I ended with an useless light-square bishop.

Scarblac
costelus wrote:

That's what I thought :). OK, then what would be a recommendation for an easy-to-play opening? Honestly, in queen's gambit I was unable many times to make the e5 push and I ended with an useless light-square bishop.


If you're talking about the QGD, I think going for the c5-push is a bit more normal. The bishop can often find a home on b7.

ozzie_c_cobblepot

Love the umlauts.

ozzie_c_cobblepot
hackattack wrote:

you could play 2..g6 and if they play c4 then you can play d5 to transpose into a Gruenfeld,

or you can play e6 to get an indian defence


No, d5 is bad - one of the main points of the Grunfeld is that white has played Nc3 and not Nf3 (so that black can answer e4 with Nxc3)

hackattack
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

Love the umlauts.


amen

hackattack
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
hackattack wrote:

you could play 2..g6 and if they play c4 then you can play d5 to transpose into a Gruenfeld,

or you can play e6 to get an indian defence


No, d5 is bad - one of the main points of the Grunfeld is that white has played Nc3 and not Nf3 (so that black can answer e4 with Nxc3)


can't black transpose like this? or am I missing a resource that white has?

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. c4 d5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. cxd5 Nxd5 6. e4

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hackattack wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:
hackattack wrote:

you could play 2..g6 and if they play c4 then you can play d5 to transpose into a Gruenfeld,

or you can play e6 to get an indian defence


No, d5 is bad - one of the main points of the Grunfeld is that white has played Nc3 and not Nf3 (so that black can answer e4 with Nxc3)


can't black transpose like this? or am I missing a resource that white has?

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 g6 3. c4 d5 4. Nc3 Bg7 5. cxd5 Nxd5 6. e4


1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.c4 d5 4.cxd5 Nxd5 5.e4. looks like it transposes to Marshall defense in QGD and this is one of its worst lines

Krish30
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ozzie_c_cobblepot

I don't know what to say.

Eastendboy
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

I don't know what to say.


Ditto.

hackattack
Eastendboy wrote:
ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote:

I don't know what to say.


Ditto.


huh? i don't get it