Thoughts on Sicilian New Grand Prix Attack 1e4 c5 2 Be2

XxDarkKnight402xX

Hello everyone, wanted some input on this particular line I saw in one of GingerGM's youtube channel. Basically it's another version of the Grand Prix Attack with ideas such as f4 d3  Nf3 c3 Be3 Nd2 Qe1 and Qh4. Looks solid to me, with either a potential attack, or a slow maneuvering game. Is it possible to have this as a main response until I reach 1800 or 1900 rating, or do I buckle down and learn main line sicilians?

ToastyPosition

What are the moves exactly? 1. e3 c5? That doesn't look like a Sicilian to me. 

XxDarkKnight402xX

They are in the title, my bad, so 1e4 c5 2Be2, with ideas of 3.f4 4.d3 5c3, ,Nf3, Nd2, Qe1

ToastyPosition

How can 3. e3 be played if you already played 1. e4? That part I am not understanding.

XxDarkKnight402xX

So like this, or something like this

XxDarkKnight402xX
ToastyPosition wrote:

How can 3. e3 be played if you already played 1. e4? That part I am not understanding.

Holy moly, have to edit my previous comment, yeah that's a mistake, thanks for catching that!

ToastyPosition

If it's good enough for Carlsen, then it's good enough for me.

 

 

XxDarkKnight402xX

Wow! Didn't realize Magnus played this recently, alright, this opening seems to have some credibility attached to its name then.

SNUDOO
XxDarkKnight402xX wrote:

So like this, or something like this

that's basically a slightly inferior version of the "big clamp" because the bishop on e2 is probably better off not existing. Here's the big clamp.

 

SNUDOO
XxDarkKnight402xX wrote:

Wow! Didn't realize Magnus played this recently, alright, this opening seems to have some credibility attached to its name then.

Magnus also played this

 

SNUDOO
ToastyPosition wrote:

If it's good enough for Carlsen, then it's good enough for me.

 

 

bruh how did Ding not play the Tal gambit which basically refutes 2.f4 at high level

XxDarkKnight402xX

I currently play the big clamp right now but now sure if it's working for me exactly how I want it to. Perhaps I should dive deeper into some lines for Closed Sicilian.

SNUDOO

I play Closed Sicilian f4 variations. basically play h3 g4, if they play f5 just take and play in the center. ez plans

TeacherOfPain

The Grand Prix attack is great if played corectly, mediocre if played with a bunch of innaccuracies(7+) and terrible if you have 1 or 2 mistakes in my experience and the experience I have playing against people who do this opening. 

It is an opening that requires minimum mistakes and is high maitenence in my opinion. Since it is not along the mainlines it is different.

However depending on who's hands they position is in, it can either be highly effective or just another opening in someone's book. But personally for me I think the Grand Prix is great to avoid Sicilian mainlines, and since I like closed Sicilians from the white or black side it makes it the better... 

That is how I feel about the opening... 

SNUDOO

sometimes in bullet and stuff I play 3.f4 but then play g3 d3 and Bg2 transposing LOL

XxDarkKnight402xX

lol @SNUDOO

@TeacherOfPain I see, but if it is high maintenence, then perhaps it is best if I just stick to the regular closed Sicilian right? Or is the Closed Sicilian the same way?

SNUDOO

there is no way someone is gonna study the closed f4 sicilian

TeacherOfPain

@XxDarkKnight402xX

It just was suggestion. If you want to keep playing it that's fine, but why are you questioning my response, isn't this a forum about our thoughts on the opening? With Respect of course!

Also in response to this, since you responded to the question, not neccessarily, it depends on the strengths and weaknesses of a player, meaning it may seem high maitenence for me, but for others it may not. But nevertheless is a good opening if played correctly. 

The Closed Sicilian is somewhat the same way, however usuaully has the bishop Fianchettoed on kingside making a stronghold and good influence among the light squares in the battle for e4 and d5 in the closed Sicilian. But the Grand prix usually doesn't fianchetto so it makes it more difficult and therefore more high maitenence in that way. 

It just depends on your preferences that's all. I probably could've explained that better so if anyone wants to chime in I'm all ears, but for this that was just a brief description. 

XxDarkKnight402xX

@TeacherOfPain Oh my guy I was referring to myself not to you, sorry for the misunderstanding.

TeacherOfPain

Also @SNUDOO 

The same could be said for 1.Nc3, lol...

So you can't disrespect the closed Sicilian, because it is actually a good system if played in the right hands... and among this f4 in the closed Sicilian is playable, but then again it depends on what you are going for, win, draw or what type of style you are and what is your personality etc.

And don't get offended, Nc3 could be good in the right hands as well, but f4 in the closed sicilian is fine for the most part, the only reason it doesn't seem good is because many players don't play it right and timley and it causes the position to fall apart because of positional mistakes and blunders. But if you would see the position being played correctly by a person who actually studies it, your mind might change. But then again maybe not, but the opening is fine. 

That's all I am saying @SNUDOO!