very nice. i haven't seen it before. Good lesson for the opening book (in my mind) =]].
Trap in the Vienna Game
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Hmmm, Iv'e played hundreds of these games, but never 5 d3. Must try that....
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Vienna is not an opening you wanna play if you want an opening advantage. Nf3 is also highly theoritical. And many weapons against it. Bc5 Provoking d4 and then Bb4, followed by Bg4 etc. Qh4 checks in the mix. So if a GM can fall for this, other players can too, Im not suggesting to play for traps, but d3 is still a good line to go wiht, better than Qf3 or Nf3, IMO
RainbowRising wrote:
The Vienna is an excellent try for an advantage, but not the drawish line e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4?! , but Bc4 and on Nxe4 Qh5
Yes the f4 line is not for the advantage, and the line you are mentioning is the Dracula-Frankenstein variation right? Black sacs the exchange but gets a lot of counterplay though. Probably nothing to be afraid off but very sharp & tricky lines indeed!
RainbowRising wrote:
The secret to playing the Frankenstein Dracula variation is home prep. Once you've done that, it's plain sailing. Not something either side should walk into unprepared.
True, but you have to be prepared for almost all lines. Because when of the players introduces a nuance into the position its most likely that one of the two players will make a mistake. As often happens when a novelty is played.
The only time I ever get the FD is when I set up the opening position. I think I played it against RR long time ago?
I never play 3 Bc4 anymore, because nobody EVER replies Nxe4.
RainbowRising wrote:
ChristovKleijn wrote:
RainbowRising wrote:
The secret to playing the Frankenstein Dracula variation is home prep. Once you've done that, it's plain sailing. Not something either side should walk into unprepared.
True, but you have to be prepared for almost all lines. Because when of the players introduces a nuance into the position its most likely that one of the two players will make a mistake. As often happens when a novelty is played.
Prepared yes, but this variation requires you to know exactly what you are doing. If you understand the position through the help of Rybka, then a novelty wont be a problem because you know what you are aiming for.
@ Rooperi: I find people fairly frequently reply Nxe4. Even if they don't, I still like the positions that arise after 3.Bc3
I think that's because you probably play much higher rated opponents.....
jemptymethod wrote:
RainbowRising wrote:
The Vienna is an excellent try for an advantage, but not the drawish line e4 e5 Nc3 Nf6 f4?! , but Bc4 and on Nxe4 Qh5
Giving f4?! is completely unwarranted. Sure everybody is entitled to their opinion, but I have personally pioneered all sorts of hidden resources in this line, for instance, 1. e4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. f4 d5 4. fxe5 Nxe4 5. Nf3 Bg4 6. Qe2 Ng5? 7. Qb5+ and White stands to win (7...c6 8. Qxb7 Nxf3+ 9. gxf3 Bxf3 10. Rg1 Nbd7 11. d4!) That being said, I'm glad you and others under-estimate it, this surely will garner me more points in the long run.
This might be the case but 5. Bg4 is not the critical move by black for white. And also Ng5 is a poor move. Im not saying you can't get an advantage with white in the f4 line, its just not the best opening but this ofcourse can be debated for ever. its just my opinion. Im just saying there's many ways for black to meet this system and equalize, but I guess this counts for many other openings which are considered bad for white ( Like Kings Gambit ) and I myself am a fan of de Kings Gambit. And the f4 line is like a accelerated falkbeer countergambit so in some way its kinda similar. So practical chances are Always there for both sides.
Okay nice Surprise Weapon, even against strong players.