Until you understand that playing 2...Nf6 has nothing to do with preventing Scholar's Mate you will struggle to improve.
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It prevents the queen form moving to h5 [i think]
Thanks cool. i need opening ideas
Jul 20, 2014
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#7
The position in the OP allows the direct zinger 3...Nxe4 that either opens the Frankenstein-Dracula can of worms or equalizes with 4.Qh5 Nd6 5.Bb3 Be7
The Vienna never recovered from the famous Weaver Adams-Harry Lyman match where Lyman won the match playing black against Adams and his famous "White to play and win" system.
After 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4 Nf6 3.d4 ed4 4.Nf3 Bb4+ white is already struggling, e.g. 5.c3 dc3 6.bc3 d5!
Jul 20, 2014
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#10
The Vienna is the first cousin of the Kings Gambit. In fact, you can steer into the Vienna Gambit with 3.f4
Jul 21, 2014
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#11
I think a lot of the posts here are mixing the Vienna with the Bishop's Opening. Though they can transpose, they also can diverge significantly.
Nc3 in this position is a theoretical mistake:
Jul 21, 2014
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#14
Th3 tru3 V13nn4 st4rt5 w1th Nc3 1mm3d14t3ly after E5, 1t5 pl4y3d on m0v3 2!!!
Fiveofswords wrote:
@luis I definitely prefer white in that line. The black knight on d6 looks totally awkward. Its not a crushing advantage, but its better than white normally gets at top level. The frankenstein dracula is objectively much better.
There is nothing wrong with the d6 knight- factly, white has to play a few awkward moves himself to prevent this knight jumping to the excellent d4 square (via f5).
Also, there is nothing wrong with a regular Dracula as well (a bit speculative, but playable at any level), but 5...Be7 is 100% sound, and does not require any serious memorization. The only thing one does need to know is avoiding 6.Nf3 Nc6 7.Nxe5 0-0?! in favour of 7...g6!
Jul 21, 2014
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#16
I have taken up the Frankenstein-Dracula many times as Black and have come out a bit ahead over the years.
But as far as the Vienna goes, I don't see why anyone would avoid the Ruy and slug it out in the center over a long struggle instead of popping one's cork in the opening and then drifting through an equal/slightly inferior middlegame.
Interesting ideas. ..really appreciated
Fiveofswords wrote:
DrSpudnik wrote:
I have taken up the Frankenstein-Dracula many times as Black and have come out a bit ahead over the years.
But as far as the Vienna goes, I don't see why anyone would avoid the Ruy and slug it out in the center over a long struggle instead of popping one's cork in the opening and then drifting through an equal/slightly inferior middlegame.
i dont normally see an equal or inferior middlegame. Usually i actually get a winnign edge in the vienna at some point in the opening, which i later might fail to convert. The statistics for white in the vienna at GM level last i checked is actually ahead of the ruy. The position you are really going for is
I'm afraid I fail to see what is so special about tjis position: Black is just fine by applying common sense, say 5...d6 6.Nf3 a6.
The Vienna game is a wonderfull opening. please comment about subject