What do you think is the most annoying opening to face?

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billy223

Great info guys on QGA and counterattacking. Typically though as White, After 2.... cd I usually reply 3. e3 and if Black tries to hold on to the gambit pawn via moves like 3... b5, 4... c6 or 4... a6, I would then worj to try for the h1-a8 diagonal and pressure the a8 Rook. I've also tried ideas like 3. Nf3 but it seems a bit slow to my tastes. Are there any real good lines where White instead plays 3. e4 that don't open him up to the Ragozin-type setups that arise on Black's playing for Bb4 after the e6 advance? All I have for ideas right now is an outdated BCO Vol. 2 to refer to. happy.png

billy223
AlphaZeroDark30 wrote:
novacek wrote:
AlphaZeroDark30 wrote:

The Bird is nothing to fear.  The Dutch Stonewall is very annoying for either side but it can be ripped apart if a player knows what to do in the middlegame.  The From Gambit offers pressure for the pawn but that takes skill to maintain.  

The Dutch Stonewall is annoying. Then White composes himself and realises that he has a very straightfoward idea against it, namely stopping e5 forever, thus making Black's pawn structure a headache for himself. Rubinstein demonstrated this:

Obviously it helps to be as good as Rubinstein but at least it showed that it's nothing to be feared

The biggest flaw of f4 is that is opens up the g1-a7 diagonal to the king.  With c5 and cxd5 you can begin to undermine it, and with Bd6, Qb6, and Nc6/d7, the pin on the d4-pawn all but takes away the e5 square for White.  A well-timed g5 or just about any positional thrust becomes much more effective in that situation.  1...f5 is also playable, but be ready for 2. e4

One of my friends in Portland used to give the idea of playing g5 in the Dutch as a way to mix things up on the King side. Is this the same idea you are referencing? Also how effective do you find it if Black can eventually outpost a Knight on e4 in this opening?

billy223

I Remember I think a match involving Kasparov and Deep Blue that had K playing a line with c5 as White that ended in a draw but doesn't playing an early c5 advance invite Black to counter in the center with a well-timed e5? Also I used to try it in Sparring mode with Fritz and in lines where Black fianchettoed on g7, I would see a line with Nxc5 and if dc then Bxa1. I'm not so convinced on the c5 merits but perhaps there is some new theory that shows some good matches as White in there?

novacek
novacek wrote:
FlyingSandal wrote:
novacek wrote:
FlyingSandal wrote:

I do not enjoy playing King's Gambit Accepted as Black. I usually do okay, but do not enjoy it. 

The fact that you do not enjoy playing against Black's most common reply to your opening of choice is probably a sign that you should not play that opening...

Sorry if I was unclear. As Black after 1. e4 I play 1...e5 hoping for the Ruy. Then I sometimes get the King's Gambit (which I accept). I don't enjoy it because it is so unlike what I normally play.

My mistake, I misread your original post. Stay tuned, I have a blog post coming up about how to handle the KG.

https://www.chess.com/blog/novacek/notes-from-a-novice-2-fighting-the-kings-gambit Let me know what you think!

Trexler3241
AlphaZeroDark30 wrote:
nuolinliu wrote:
SeniorPatzer wrote:

Every once in awhile during a blitz game, I'll have the Black pieces, and the White player will play 1. e4 and 2. Qh5.  

 

It annoys me to feel obligated to win the game by refuting his early Queen sortie.

when they play Qh5 just play this:

but if u are not facing a beginner u probably wont face this  

There's an 1800 on another server who does this all the time, and will rip your position apart if you make one mistake.  Also a computer that is programmed to do it.  It's a lot trickier than it looks but if you develop properly you'll smash it.

Who?

nuolinliu

the nimzo Indian

 

my137thaccount
FlyingSandal wrote:
nuolinliu wrote:
SeniorPatzer wrote:

Every once in awhile during a blitz game, I'll have the Black pieces, and the White player will play 1. e4 and 2. Qh5.  

 

It annoys me to feel obligated to win the game by refuting his early Queen sortie.

when they play Qh5 just play this:

but if u are not facing a beginner u probably wont face this  

 

2...Nf6 instead of 2...Nc6 works fine for Black and stops Whites plan. After 3. Qxe5+ Be7. Black can castle or Nc3 (whichever order looks good). Black traded the pawn for development.

2...Nf6 is what white wants you to play. How many amateur players have the skills to justify the pawn sacrifice? Especially as nobody prepares for 2.Qh5.

LionVanHalen

Still not as annoying as French defence...

my137thaccount
AlphaZeroDark30 wrote:
my137thaccount wrote:
FlyingSandal wrote:
nuolinliu wrote:
SeniorPatzer wrote:

Every once in awhile during a blitz game, I'll have the Black pieces, and the White player will play 1. e4 and 2. Qh5.  

 

It annoys me to feel obligated to win the game by refuting his early Queen sortie.

when they play Qh5 just play this:

but if u are not facing a beginner u probably wont face this  

 

2...Nf6 instead of 2...Nc6 works fine for Black and stops Whites plan. After 3. Qxe5+ Be7. Black can castle or Nc3 (whichever order looks good). Black traded the pawn for development.

2...Nf6 is what white wants you to play. How many amateur players have the skills to justify the pawn sacrifice? Especially as nobody prepares for 2.Qh5.

I used to think that but now I'm not so sure.  That pawn is not as easy to win back and the queen can sometimes grab three or four of them.  It's freaky.

 

 

Indeed. You responded to the wrong guy happy.png

LionVanHalen

playing of the French defence should constitute torture under the Geneva convention. 

novacek
LionVanHalen wrote:

Still not as annoying as French defence...

The KIA is an interesting try against the French. See Bobby Fischer’s games as an example.

MorphysMayhem
RonPaulsSteelBalls wrote:
1. e4 d5 2. e5 

 

wow. that gives black a really easy game. 2. ----c5 and black is already equal.

katharosthegreat

The bong cloud, the slap in the face opening says, " you aren't good/fast enough to checkmate me in less than a minute."

Trexler3241

As black, I know what to do, but when I forget 1 thing I get checkmated.

Gohan1342
Trexler3241 wrote:

Why bishop to f7 and not knight to f7? Knight would be guaranteed either a rook or a queen, when you do that, all that happens is you move your king and they can't really do much there.

 

Santoy

I lost so badly to the Grob today that I might start playing it happy.png

FizzyBand

 

DrewGainer
nuolinliu wrote:

the nimzo Indian

 

I strongly recommend you play either Bd2 or Qc2 when facing the Nimzo-Indian Defense. Black's goal is to double your c-pawns and win the endgame. You might also simply avoid it by playing 3.Nf3 instead of 3.Nc3.

beginner7196

Annoying - London

Boring - London

AadarshIyengar

The most annoying opening for me to face is the Philidor. I play the Italian and it makes me unable to play both Evans Gambit or Knight Attack. I also find the positions that arise from it just dull.......