What is a good move after Modern Defense?

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Awesome60

I always feel cheated when I'm White and I find my move retorted to a fianchetto-Modern Defense. I always get my development on the queenside delayed after she/he gets his Bishop out and wrecks my pawn structure after she/he starts trading bishops-for-knights & knights-for-bishops. Can you guys help me come up with a nice development/attacking move? Thanks, Awesome60  

Skunkwerx

Give 2.d4 a whirl.

Awesome60

All right, @Skunkwerx , I'll try your suggestion.

Awesome60

@DeirdreSkye I mean, like after 1. e4 g6

darkunorthodox88

1.e4 2.d4 3.be3 4.qd2 stuff works well i think. usually with an f3 sprinkled in.

 

if black plays the sniper, the best path to a reputation is actually just taking it.

nd5! is extremely dangerous. the point is, now nc6 is just met with nc7+ but white also aims to harrass the queen with moves like bb4 and bb5. nf6 is virtually unplayable for black. for example 6...na6 7. nf3 nf6? 8.b4! qd6 9. bf4 e5 10. bg5 and black is falling apart. taking the b pawn with 6...bxb2 is virtual suicide as well, as white gets awesome development and the b-file.
 
and white is much better. black has lost his bishop pair, has dark square weaknesses, and whether he plays b6 or d6, will have to accept an isolani and undouble white's c5 pawn.
 
and once again white is better.  if 8...b6 the simple 9.cxb6 axb6 10.bh6 works just fine. white need not fear the triple pawn in these positions since always needs to play d6 or b6 to develop his bishop, and the bishop pair and dark squared weaknesses more than compensate for the double-c pawn.s

 

IMKeto
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Awesome60

@darkunorthodox88 , thanks so much! this will really help me with some hypermodern defenses that i am seeing ALL the time

zhuchains

Lol this post was absolutely directed at our game but you won xD 

Awesome60

@zhuchains , yep .______.

darkunorthodox88
pfren wrote:

I always felt that the Modern is a high risk opening which does not pay an analogous divident.

 

 

 

11.Bd3 is an attempt to improve over the line given by Tiger Hillarp Persson in his Modern Defense book.

 

Unfortunately there was not much of a test. Engines cannot substitute common sense, and after the engine's move 12...0-0?? white was already completely winning.

im glad you showed a game with my brief recommendation. Agaisnt d6 modern with no pirc transposition,  be3-qd2-f3 formations are simple and effective for a good game.

testaaaaa

what about the pseudo-austrian attack

darkunorthodox88
testaaaaa wrote:

what about the pseudo-austrian attack

i dont find it nearly as convincing. (but to be honest, i havent fully analyzed it). the Thing is, the austrian is kind of scary because the knight on f6 in the pirc dampens the short-term counterattack potential of the fianchetto and allows white more potential opportunities to play an e4-e5 out of nowhere. In the pseudo-austrian, black can get to work on your center right away with c5 stuff.

 

the modern i always felt was an opening that for its flexibility in pawn formation, paid for it in stable identity. i find 1.e4 b6 easier to play and (i dare say) better.

testaaaaa

oh cool answer- yeah in the pirc the austrian is mighty

about 1..b6 i can only say that i watched miodrag perunovics lecture on where he claims that the owens not good and that he totally should have won his game against hikaru nakamura but somehow daddled it awaygrin.png

darkunorthodox88
testaaaaa wrote:

oh cool answer- yeah in the pirc the austrian is mighty

about 1..b6 i can only say that i watched miodrag perunovics lecture on where he claims that the owens not good and that he totally should have won his game against hikaru nakamura but somehow daddled it away

he suggests 5.nge2 and shows the issues of both d5 and c5.  Except he doesnt mention d6 which is the best move there.

testaaaaa

Tiger Pearsson thinks the pseudo-austrian is quite critical

testaaaaa

hahaha @SmithyQ  nice first comment under the youtube-videogrin.png

testaaaaa

nullnull

I think he looks more than Benedict Cumberbatch

testaaaaa

+0.5 and blacks position is not bad, im surprised the butcher did not mention this

Preggo_Basashi
pfren wrote:

I always felt that the Modern is a high risk opening which does not pay an analogous divident.

 

 

 

11.Bd3 is an attempt to improve over the line given by Tiger Hillarp Persson in his Modern Defense book.

 

Unfortunately there was not much of a test. Engines cannot substitute common sense, and after the engine's move 12...0-0?? white was already completely winning.

I agree ...0-0 shows a lack of understanding for these positions.

 

But having said that, I don't understand black's play at all in this game, so that shows how much I know.

 

To improve on black's play, I tried to play a normal line a tempo down just to see what would happen.

 

 

darkunorthodox88
testaaaaa wrote:

+0.5 and blacks position is not bad, im surprised the butcher did not mention this

i much rather play 6.be7, the point being, in the line you mentioned,if black plays c5 and white plays d5 like in the line you showed. black plays na6-nc7. exd5 so soon is not that pretty.