What is Black's worst response to 1.e4?

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learningthemoves

I can picture someone wading through the forums looking for these, "what's the best black response to 1.e4 and what's the best white response to 1...e5" threads assembling their frankenstein repetoire. "Today, Chess.com. Tomorrow the world!"

I want to tell them, "You don't have to send your move through the mail on a postcard anymore. Use the game explorer of masters' games and databases!!"

Thanks for letting me get that out of my system and I trust it was at least thought provoking even if you didn't happen to agree.

DEEPFROGGER
ChessplayerW wrote:
tmkroll schreef:
ChessplayerW wrote:
RybkaShredder schreef:

2...d5?? 3. Qh5+ +-


of course first Nf6 and than d5

(I probably shouldn't be bothering to take this bait, but) White gets to play has a move in between there too.

After Nf6 White can play d4 and it does seem, like you said d5 is necessary for Black to get any play at all so d5 Bd3. White is still up a pawn, and now Black will have to play "around" the large hole in front of the backward pawn in the middle of the board, or play e6 making the gambit permanent... so no recapture. And ok Black isn't much worse in the center after that exchange and can hope to attack down the f-file. Playing chess "Without counting the pawns" might work a bit in Blitz, but Black can have this sort of thing from other openings without giving up a pawn to do it. 

Also after Nf3 White can get tricky with Be2, also just about every plan that works against the King's Gambit works better up a tempo against the Fred. In the KG White has a strong pawn on e4. Paraphrasing many others, in the Fred Black has no pawn on e5 and isn't likely to get one there any time soon. It's not a good move. It probably is the worst thing on the board in that position.

 

Moreover, Fritz13 gives for 1.e4 f5 +- 1.29 
                             and for 1.e4 b5 +-1.67 (after 30 seconds)



 

Fritz? Who the heck uses that when there's Houdini 1.5a/2.0/3.0 . . .

DEEPFROGGER

Houdini 1.5a is more expensive than Fritz??? o_o

Ryanyurocks10

Updating, f5 is still ahead, but only by 2 votes!

DEEPFROGGER

Dude. Houdini 1.5a is free too, and Houdini 1.5a crushes Fritz.

Ziryab

1...f5

Ryanyurocks10
Haiku575 wrote:

Dude. Houdini 1.5a is free too, and Houdini 1.5a crushes Fritz.

Use Stockfish 3 for a free computer analyser. It is only slightly worse than Houdini 3 and ranks 3rd overall after Houdini 3 and Komodo 6. Fritz 13 ranks 14th. Also, Stockfish has a winning record against Houdini 3. Critter is also an option.

Maurill

What is Black's worst response to 1.e4?

1. To resign.

2. A move, which you don´t know why you play it.

 

Edit: Just see there are more posts and it´s already said.

DEEPFROGGER
Ryanyurocks10 wrote:
Haiku575 wrote:

Dude. Houdini 1.5a is free too, and Houdini 1.5a crushes Fritz.

Use Stockfish 3 for a free computer analyser. It is only slightly worse than Houdini 3 and ranks 3rd overall after Houdini 3 and Komodo 6. Fritz 13 ranks 14th. Also, Stockfish has a winning record against Houdini 3. Critter is also an option.

Stockfish 4, you mean? Houdini 3.0's score against Stockfish 3 at http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/cgi/engine_details.cgi?print=Details&each_game=1&eng=Houdini%203%2064-bit%204CPU#Houdini_3_64-bit_4CPU is 20 wins, 13 losses, 23 draws. But Stockfish 4 has won a slight majority of games against Houdini.

elo123

f5, because b5 at least allows development of the bishop.

macer75

I second the vote for Kxd8.

tmkroll

Incedentally Houdini says:

on my machine... which I guess is a bit different from what Fritz says, but anyway one shouldn't rely on computer analysis in the opening. Still if Fritz says +-1.29 already I feel Houdini's analysis is probably somewhat closer to the truth. I was hyperbolic calling any of these losing moves earlier. White's still got some work to do.

vuun

Nobody's appreciated how bad Na6 is yet.

After 2. Bxa6, Black immediately has a double pawn on the edge of the board, and might as well be a pawn down.

Not as bad as f5, but I think it ties with b5.

Ryanyurocks10
Haiku575 wrote:
Ryanyurocks10 wrote:
Haiku575 wrote:

Dude. Houdini 1.5a is free too, and Houdini 1.5a crushes Fritz.

Use Stockfish 3 for a free computer analyser. It is only slightly worse than Houdini 3 and ranks 3rd overall after Houdini 3 and Komodo 6. Fritz 13 ranks 14th. Also, Stockfish has a winning record against Houdini 3. Critter is also an option.

Stockfish 4, you mean? Houdini 3.0's score against Stockfish 3 at http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/4040/cgi/engine_details.cgi?print=Details&each_game=1&eng=Houdini%203%2064-bit%204CPU#Houdini_3_64-bit_4CPU is 20 wins, 13 losses, 23 draws. But Stockfish 4 has won a slight majority of games against Houdini.

Yeah, Stockfish 4.

DEEPFROGGER

Maybe 1... f5 is what Anand will play in his next game with Black, to "liven up the match" like he said he would -.-

DEEPFROGGER
macer75 wrote:

I second the vote for Kxd8.

You are now my best acquaintance!

macer75
Haiku575 wrote:
macer75 wrote:

I second the vote for Kxd8.

You are now my best acquaintance!

In other words, very very close from being your friend?

DEEPFROGGER

As very very close from being my friend as random strangers on the chess.com forums can be!

macer75

But I thought u just said I was an acquaintance! I don't think there's another step between "acquaintance" and "friend," and u said I was ur best acquaintance, so that must mean I'm really close to becoming ur freind.

DEEPFROGGER

I know, I know, I'm just playing with ya. :P