What is the hardest opening for average players?

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gik-tally

yes, I second indians! there is just soooooooooooooo much theory needed for them, BUT they're playable against everything

Badchesserrr4486999
d4iscrazy написал:
Yes the 1400 tells us what is hard and not. Smh 🙈

Bro you litteraly dont know crap. You are sidestepping the theory with the queens gambit smh.

Badchesserrr4486999

You declined the smith mora...

Ethan_Brollier
Badchesserrr wrote:
d4iscrazy написал:
Yes the 1400 tells us what is hard and not. Smh 🙈

Bro you litteraly dont know crap. You are sidestepping the theory with the queens gambit smh.

There’s MORE theory in the Queen’s Gambit than in the Indian. I wouldn’t recommend trash talking someone both way smarter and way more skilled than you, especially if you have no clue what you’re talking about.

Badchesserrr4486999
Ethan_Brollier написал:
Badchesserrr wrote:
d4iscrazy написал:
Yes the 1400 tells us what is hard and not. Smh 🙈

Bro you litteraly dont know crap. You are sidestepping the theory with the queens gambit smh.

There’s MORE theory in the Queen’s Gambit than in the Indian. I wouldn’t recommend trash talking someone both way smarter and way more skilled than you, especially if you have no clue what you’re talking about.

WHO THE HELL SAID IM TALKING ABOUT THE INDIAN HAVING MORE THEORY THAN THE QUEENS GAMBIT?

Badchesserrr4486999

Also you are russian soo like... Blocked.

AngryPuffer

bro whats wrong with russians

AngryPuffer

but honestly openings like the grunfeld or najdorf are likely the answer (openings with heavy amounts of theory and variations)

Chess_Player_lol
AngryPuffer wrote:

bro whats wrong with russians

thats the most un-american thing ive ever seen

Ethan_Brollier
Chess_Player_lol wrote:
AngryPuffer wrote:

bro whats wrong with russians

thats the most un-american thing ive ever seen

Not really, most Americans I talk to (in real life, not over the internet) seem to be sympathetic to both Russians and Ukrainians, as both sides are suffering heavy losses.

Ethan_Brollier
alexlehrersh wrote:
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Badchesserrr wrote:
d4iscrazy написал:
Yes the 1400 tells us what is hard and not. Smh 🙈

Bro you litteraly dont know crap. You are sidestepping the theory with the queens gambit smh.

There’s MORE theory in the Queen’s Gambit than in the Indian. I wouldn’t recommend trash talking someone both way smarter and way more skilled than you, especially if you have no clue what you’re talking about.

Nah doubt it

The Semi-Slav alone may have more theory than every single Indian (minus the KID) combined, and the QGD proper has an insane amount of theoretical variations, the Slav has a very large theory book, and then there’s also the various QGDs, the Tarrasch, the QGA, the Albin, the Grunfeld transposition via the Marshall, like there’s a LOT of theory to the QG.

Meanwhile with the Indian games, there’s the KID which has a theory load to rival the QGD proper, but aside from that most of the Indians have many variations, but the theory ends at like move 6 or 7.

AngryPuffer

honestly najdorf + grunfeld theory is the reason why many people dont play them... there is so goddam much

Badchesserrr4486999
Ethan_Brollier написал:
alexlehrersh wrote:
Ethan_Brollier hat geschrieben:
Badchesserrr wrote:
d4iscrazy написал:
Yes the 1400 tells us what is hard and not. Smh 🙈

Bro you litteraly dont know crap. You are sidestepping the theory with the queens gambit smh.

There’s MORE theory in the Queen’s Gambit than in the Indian. I wouldn’t recommend trash talking someone both way smarter and way more skilled than you, especially if you have no clue what you’re talking about.

Nah doubt it

The Semi-Slav alone may have more theory than every single Indian (minus the KID) combined, and the QGD proper has an insane amount of theoretical variations, the Slav has a very large theory book, and then there’s also the various QGDs, the Tarrasch, the QGA, the Albin, the Grunfeld transposition via the Marshall, like there’s a LOT of theory to the QG.

Meanwhile with the Indian games, there’s the KID which has a theory load to rival the QGD proper, but aside from that most of the Indians have many variations, but the theory ends at like move 6 or 7.

Bro did you just say that more book moves = more theory?

Badchesserrr4486999

Damn bro i am speaking to someone who doesn't get theory.

Ethan_Brollier
alexlehrersh wrote:
Ethan_Brollier hat geschrieben:
alexlehrersh wrote:
Ethan_Brollier hat geschrieben:
Badchesserrr wrote:
d4iscrazy написал:
Yes the 1400 tells us what is hard and not. Smh 🙈

Bro you litteraly dont know crap. You are sidestepping the theory with the queens gambit smh.

There’s MORE theory in the Queen’s Gambit than in the Indian. I wouldn’t recommend trash talking someone both way smarter and way more skilled than you, especially if you have no clue what you’re talking about.

Nah doubt it

The Semi-Slav alone may have more theory than every single Indian (minus the KID) combined, and the QGD proper has an insane amount of theoretical variations, the Slav has a very large theory book, and then there’s also the various QGDs, the Tarrasch, the QGA, the Albin, the Grunfeld transposition via the Marshall, like there’s a LOT of theory to the QG.

Meanwhile with the Indian games, there’s the KID which has a theory load to rival the QGD proper, but aside from that most of the Indians have many variations, but the theory ends at like move 6 or 7.

Ben Oni has a lot of theory and has super long lines

Gruenfeld has super long lines

Budapest/Farajowic has a good amount too

Budapest really doesn’t have much theory at all. I’ve checked. Benoni and Grunfeld both have a few somewhat longish lines, but both are nothing compared to the KID.

Kowarenai

the london system

Badchesserrr4486999
Kowarenai написал:

the london system

if that average player goes for the pyramid..
Well black becomes preferable...

Ethan_Brollier
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Ethan_Brollier написал:
alexlehrersh wrote:
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Badchesserrr wrote:
d4iscrazy написал:
Yes the 1400 tells us what is hard and not. Smh 🙈

Bro you litteraly dont know crap. You are sidestepping the theory with the queens gambit smh.

There’s MORE theory in the Queen’s Gambit than in the Indian. I wouldn’t recommend trash talking someone both way smarter and way more skilled than you, especially if you have no clue what you’re talking about.

Nah doubt it

The Semi-Slav alone may have more theory than every single Indian (minus the KID) combined, and the QGD proper has an insane amount of theoretical variations, the Slav has a very large theory book, and then there’s also the various QGDs, the Tarrasch, the QGA, the Albin, the Grunfeld transposition via the Marshall, like there’s a LOT of theory to the QG.

Meanwhile with the Indian games, there’s the KID which has a theory load to rival the QGD proper, but aside from that most of the Indians have many variations, but the theory ends at like move 6 or 7.

Bro did you just say that more book moves = more theory?

First of all, I thought you blocked me (LMFAO) because I’m Russian in your mind, so why’re you still responding to me?

Secondly, no. I didn’t say that. Book moves for Semi-Slav usually end around move… 11-15 IIRC? But the theory in, for example, the Botvinnik Semi-Slav actually runs all the way into the endgame into a forced theoretical draw, the Meran has like 6 or 7 variations which all have theory lasting deep past move 25, et cetera.

Badchesserrr4486999

 Ethan_Brollier написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Ethan_Brollier написал:
alexlehrersh wrote:
Ethan_Brollier hat geschrieben:
Badchesserrr wrote:
d4iscrazy написал:
Yes the 1400 tells us what is hard and not. Smh 🙈

Bro you litteraly dont know crap. You are sidestepping the theory with the queens gambit smh.

There’s MORE theory in the Queen’s Gambit than in the Indian. I wouldn’t recommend trash talking someone both way smarter and way more skilled than you, especially if you have no clue what you’re talking about.

Nah doubt it

The Semi-Slav alone may have more theory than every single Indian (minus the KID) combined, and the QGD proper has an insane amount of theoretical variations, the Slav has a very large theory book, and then there’s also the various QGDs, the Tarrasch, the QGA, the Albin, the Grunfeld transposition via the Marshall, like there’s a LOT of theory to the QG.

Meanwhile with the Indian games, there’s the KID which has a theory load to rival the QGD proper, but aside from that most of the Indians have many variations, but the theory ends at like move 6 or 7.

Bro did you just say that more book moves = more theory?

First of all, I thought you blocked me (LMFAO) because I’m Russian in your mind, so why’re you still responding to me?

Secondly, no. I didn’t say that. Book moves for Semi-Slav usually end around move… 11-15 IIRC? But the theory in, for example, the Botvinnik Semi-Slav actually runs all the way into the endgame into a forced theoretical draw, the Meran has like 6 or 7 variations which all have theory lasting deep past move 25, et cetera.

But you are blocked.