What is the hardest opening for average players?

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the modern Benoni from the black side.

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the modern Benoni from the black side.

Well then, Humble my bones but then every single opening is hard ngl.

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I mean... hardest to win with or hardest to play?

Because the Bongcloud is easy to play, but very hard to win.

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It is not the ruy Lopez cuz you just have to remember patterns and chess page1 makes a guide that a beginner can learn and I think I do a pretty guide the hardest is actually nimzo Indian or najdorf if your talking about responses a main line winawar is the hardest to remember but it is a side line so who cares the nimzo you pretty much always do the same thing then pick your idea so najdorf
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Definitely The Nitros Opening:

I couldn't post a game for it, but I saw a tutorial on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoCJ8lqfQVE

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Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
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the london system

if that average player goes for the pyramid..
Well black becomes preferable...

5.Bd3 is not an idea in that position, because then the bishop is just "biting on granite" due to black going into a position where the pawn is on g6. Main line is 5.Be2.

Also, 8.dxc5 looks awful, why would white do that? That's just giving black the center with an eventual ...e5. Just castle instead.

Are you defending the london?!?!?!

Yes. The London is a great opening, and contrary to popular belief, it can actually be played exciting and aggressive if played a certain way (usually with early g4 pawn pushes).

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Pirc Defense and the Sosonko Benko Declined from both sides based on what I’ve seen
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exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
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Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Kowarenai написал:

the london system

if that average player goes for the pyramid..
Well black becomes preferable...

5.Bd3 is not an idea in that position, because then the bishop is just "biting on granite" due to black going into a position where the pawn is on g6. Main line is 5.Be2.

Also, 8.dxc5 looks awful, why would white do that? That's just giving black the center with an eventual ...e5. Just castle instead.

Are you defending the london?!?!?!

Yes. The London is a great opening, and contrary to popular belief, it can actually be played exciting and aggressive if played a certain way (usually with early g4 pawn pushes).

Wow that is a thing? I though the london is like super passive and gives up the initiative for no reason

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Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
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Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Kowarenai написал:

the london system

if that average player goes for the pyramid..
Well black becomes preferable...

5.Bd3 is not an idea in that position, because then the bishop is just "biting on granite" due to black going into a position where the pawn is on g6. Main line is 5.Be2.

Also, 8.dxc5 looks awful, why would white do that? That's just giving black the center with an eventual ...e5. Just castle instead.

Are you defending the london?!?!?!

Yes. The London is a great opening, and contrary to popular belief, it can actually be played exciting and aggressive if played a certain way (usually with early g4 pawn pushes).

Wow that is a thing? I though the london is like super passive and gives up the initiative for no reason

Gotham said the London was trash lol.

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Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Kowarenai написал:

the london system

if that average player goes for the pyramid..
Well black becomes preferable...

5.Bd3 is not an idea in that position, because then the bishop is just "biting on granite" due to black going into a position where the pawn is on g6. Main line is 5.Be2.

Also, 8.dxc5 looks awful, why would white do that? That's just giving black the center with an eventual ...e5. Just castle instead.

Are you defending the london?!?!?!

Yes. The London is a great opening, and contrary to popular belief, it can actually be played exciting and aggressive if played a certain way (usually with early g4 pawn pushes).

Wow that is a thing? I though the london is like super passive and gives up the initiative for no reason

it does

hes just able to do that because his oppoments made bad moves/ its a bad move of his

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TheTrueUgospel написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Kowarenai написал:

the london system

if that average player goes for the pyramid..
Well black becomes preferable...

5.Bd3 is not an idea in that position, because then the bishop is just "biting on granite" due to black going into a position where the pawn is on g6. Main line is 5.Be2.

Also, 8.dxc5 looks awful, why would white do that? That's just giving black the center with an eventual ...e5. Just castle instead.

Are you defending the london?!?!?!

Yes. The London is a great opening, and contrary to popular belief, it can actually be played exciting and aggressive if played a certain way (usually with early g4 pawn pushes).

Wow that is a thing? I though the london is like super passive and gives up the initiative for no reason

Gotham said the London was trash lol.

Of course he does, He is a bad youtuber telling people to play dubious crap like the traxxler or ponziani steinitz or milner barry!!!!!

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Sea_TurtIe wrote:

Sveshnikov sicilian

white has tons of options and can avoid this easily, or he could deviate from the main line quite easily and you may be on your own, you also have to really know what youre doing in order to survive + you must be a tactical god

no

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TheTrueUgospel wrote:

Gotham said the London was trash lol.

Nothing's wrong with the London. It's not advantageous but it's not worse, either. It's essentially equal.

It's the middlegame and endgame that'll decide it - the better player will win.

Ding played it against Nepo in the World Championship - and it ended up being one of the most impressive games of the match.

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AngryPuffer написал:
Sea_TurtIe wrote:

Sveshnikov sicilian

white has tons of options and can avoid this easily, or he could deviate from the main line quite easily and you may be on your own, you also have to really know what youre doing in order to survive + you must be a tactical god

no

I played over 20 games with the shveshnikov and can confirm this is true.

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i can confirm it is hard as hell.

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Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Kowarenai написал:

the london system

if that average player goes for the pyramid..
Well black becomes preferable...

5.Bd3 is not an idea in that position, because then the bishop is just "biting on granite" due to black going into a position where the pawn is on g6. Main line is 5.Be2.

Also, 8.dxc5 looks awful, why would white do that? That's just giving black the center with an eventual ...e5. Just castle instead.

Are you defending the london?!?!?!

Yes. The London is a great opening, and contrary to popular belief, it can actually be played exciting and aggressive if played a certain way (usually with early g4 pawn pushes).

Wow that is a thing? I though the london is like super passive and gives up the initiative for no reason

Yeah. I like to show people this game when I talk about an aggressive London. It's not perfect, but I would definitely not call it boring.

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exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Kowarenai написал:

the london system

if that average player goes for the pyramid..
Well black becomes preferable...

5.Bd3 is not an idea in that position, because then the bishop is just "biting on granite" due to black going into a position where the pawn is on g6. Main line is 5.Be2.

Also, 8.dxc5 looks awful, why would white do that? That's just giving black the center with an eventual ...e5. Just castle instead.

Are you defending the london?!?!?!

Yes. The London is a great opening, and contrary to popular belief, it can actually be played exciting and aggressive if played a certain way (usually with early g4 pawn pushes).

Wow that is a thing? I though the london is like super passive and gives up the initiative for no reason

Yeah. I like to show people this game when I talk about an aggressive London. It's not perfect, but I would definitely not call it boring.

Dam why not just jobava london? It has more chances to do well.
Or even the ruy lopez where white is doing amazingly?

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Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Kowarenai написал:

the london system

if that average player goes for the pyramid..
Well black becomes preferable...

5.Bd3 is not an idea in that position, because then the bishop is just "biting on granite" due to black going into a position where the pawn is on g6. Main line is 5.Be2.

Also, 8.dxc5 looks awful, why would white do that? That's just giving black the center with an eventual ...e5. Just castle instead.

Are you defending the london?!?!?!

Yes. The London is a great opening, and contrary to popular belief, it can actually be played exciting and aggressive if played a certain way (usually with early g4 pawn pushes).

Wow that is a thing? I though the london is like super passive and gives up the initiative for no reason

Yeah. I like to show people this game when I talk about an aggressive London. It's not perfect, but I would definitely not call it boring.

Dam why not just jobava london? It has more chances to do well.
Or even the ruy lopez where white is doing amazingly?

Because I enjoy playing this?

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exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
exceptionalfork написал:
Badchesserrr4486999 wrote:
Kowarenai написал:

the london system

if that average player goes for the pyramid..
Well black becomes preferable...

5.Bd3 is not an idea in that position, because then the bishop is just "biting on granite" due to black going into a position where the pawn is on g6. Main line is 5.Be2.

Also, 8.dxc5 looks awful, why would white do that? That's just giving black the center with an eventual ...e5. Just castle instead.

Are you defending the london?!?!?!

Yes. The London is a great opening, and contrary to popular belief, it can actually be played exciting and aggressive if played a certain way (usually with early g4 pawn pushes).

Wow that is a thing? I though the london is like super passive and gives up the initiative for no reason

Yeah. I like to show people this game when I talk about an aggressive London. It's not perfect, but I would definitely not call it boring.

Dam why not just jobava london? It has more chances to do well.
Or even the ruy lopez where white is doing amazingly?

Because I enjoy playing this?

...Fair damn enough