Optimissed wrote:
3. Nc3 is white's most aggressive option.
It's the most theoretical option.
What is the most aggressive way to respond to the french defense?
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Jun 10, 2020
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#43
Optimissed wrote:
Some people think that the French Exchange is better for Black in practical terms because too many players of white think they can try to play for a win using it.
I heard somewhere that Morphy liked it, because it was “wide open” and so he could “launch attacks” (as white, ofc).
Jun 10, 2020
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#44
Optimissed wrote:
I think the Classical is more theoretical than the Winawer because I seemed to have little problem seeing the tactics in the latter.
Idk really, because I play the Tarrasch.
Jun 10, 2020
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#45
Dugbug_24 wrote:
I am an aggressive player but I am having trouble against the french defense, mainly because I can't attack the weak f7 square with my bishop (bc4). Do you know any ways I can play against the french defense?
There is a difference between being aggressive and being a one trick pony. For aggression, you'll need to find new targets. The target may not be the king or material but a pawn formation or invading a weak square.
Jun 10, 2020
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#46
mkkuhner wrote:
The Exchange Variation puts many French players (including me, alas) out of their comfort zone, and White can get quite a nasty piece attack if Black is inaccurate. (I lost a game in the Oregon Open this way, in 16 moves or so, and my opponent told me it would be a great training game for his students to study...not the kind of fame I was hoping for.)
NM Jason Cigan said in a magazine article that French players choose variations not because they are good, but because they are Frenchy. I think this is true--people play the French because they like the heavy pawn chain action and closed center. The Advance Variation is VERY Frenchy and will make a French-loving opponent happy, so it's not your best choice. If you don't like the Exchange, I recommend the King's Indian Attack (avoiding 2. d4).
I play the Albin-Chatard Gambit myself and have plenty of attacking fun, but it's not the same style of attack as in the double KP openings. f7 is not the main target, and things move a bit more slowly as you manuver around the closed center.
Baloney!
I hope you play the exchange, especially in OTB play. From the US Open in August 2014 until today, I have faced the exchange over the board, on average, 4 to 6 times each year. So you are talking about 25 to 35 games. In a Game/30 event, I got in severe time trouble and lost. That was January 1, 2020. I have not lost a single game besides that one in that 6 year span! Roughly a 50/50 split between wins and draws. Only ONCE in 25 to 35 tries did White win, and it was a short time control.
Out of their comfort zone my butt! Thanks for half of the point, and I will play on to get the other half of that point as well!
Jun 11, 2020
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#47
king's indian attack, if white succeeds he checkmates black, if black suceeds he weathers the attack and black has a winning queenside.
Panov botvinnik attack is a good alternative
mkkuhner a écrit :
The Exchange Variation puts many French players (including me, alas) out of their comfort zone, and White can get quite a nasty piece attack if Black is inaccurate. (I lost a game in the Oregon Open this way, in 16 moves or so, and my opponent told me it would be a great training game for his students to study...not the kind of fame I was hoping for.)
NM Jason Cigan said in a magazine article that French players choose variations not because they are good, but because they are Frenchy. I think this is true--people play the French because they like the heavy pawn chain action and closed center. The Advance Variation is VERY Frenchy and will make a French-loving opponent happy, so it's not your best choice. If you don't like the Exchange, I recommend the King's Indian Attack (avoiding 2. d4).
I play the Albin-Chatard Gambit myself and have plenty of attacking fun, but it's not the same style of attack as in the double KP openings. f7 is not the main target, and things move a bit more slowly as you manuver around the closed center.
IMHO, black has two main good options in the Exchange French:
- playing for a draw, something that is now easier with 3.exd5 exd5
- playing for a win with moves like Bd6, Nc6, Bg4, Nge7 and usually castling long
If blacks knows what he is doing, he is definitely more in security than in a more aggressive variation.
Before I knew the system with the moves that I mentioned, I did find this variation boring.
Hopefully one day people will stop playing 1.e4 e6 2.d3 d5 3.exd5 exd5 4.d4, giving me... The white pieces of the French exchange. This is such a strange variation.
Jun 12, 2020
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#52
Thats true, but it gets many French players off guard and very few are prepared for this. And its fun to play
pn2206 a écrit :
Probably the La Bourdonnais French (e4 e6 f4)
This variation is not the most dangerous at all, IMHO. Black can simply play moves like d5, c5, Nc6, Nh6, Nf5, Qb6, etc, and the position will be like the one of a French advance with an early f4. I personally feel conformable playing black in this opening.
Jun 13, 2020
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#54
Depending on what you re looking for, you could always go for the Réti Gambit 5.Qe2 or the Papa Gambit with 5.g4
Jun 14, 2020
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#55
Eagle_Twin wrote:
LineBreak schreef:
The advance (e5) is the most aggressive way to respond to the French. But it's also one of the most studied, so you better book up if you want to play it well.
Your best bet is to try all the different responses you can think of, and play each of them against an engine, for practice. See which opening system you feel most comfortable with, and which gets you the most playable middle-game. Then take it from there.
(And no, the Exchange French is not problematic for a French player. If you're a decent French player, you love facing the Advance, you love facing the KIA, you love facing the Tarrasch, you love facing the Exchange, you love facing the Winawer, you love facing the Chigorin, etc, etc...)
Which is to say: there's nothing you can try, as white, that will make a competent French player "uncomfortable". Instead, you simply need to strive to outplay them. That starts with knowing what you're doing and knowing it well.
In what way is 3.e5 most aggressive? In my book it allows 3...c5 which is already an attempt to put d4 under pressure. In my studies of the French I concluded that 3.e5 is a lot less trying for black than 3.Nc3. But of course 3.Nc3 allows more good replies than 3.e5. In that sense it may be beneficial to play 3.e5, but otherwise? No.
3.e5 is indeed the most aggressive response to the French. Do not confuse most aggressive with most tactical. 3.Nc3 is the most tactical, and the theoretically best move available to White. However, 3.e5 is the most aggressive, looking to grab a lot of space, leaving Black with little, and aiming to impede Black's development as a whole (not just the Bishop on c8, that's just the one that happens to stick out like a sore thumb.
The actual attack for White comes after he has successfully restrained Black. This is why Black must act as quickly as possible to attack sore spots like d4, and no play moves like ...Bd7 early on.
Here is a really nasty win for White in the advance. Mate in 33 moves. Yeah, the Advance is a very aggressive approach!
http://charlottechesscenter.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-french-connection-volume-31.html
Jun 14, 2020
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#56
Eagle_Twin wrote:
ThrillerFan schreef:
Eagle_Twin wrote:
LineBreak schreef:
The advance (e5) is the most aggressive way to respond to the French. But it's also one of the most studied, so you better book up if you want to play it well.
Your best bet is to try all the different responses you can think of, and play each of them against an engine, for practice. See which opening system you feel most comfortable with, and which gets you the most playable middle-game. Then take it from there.
(And no, the Exchange French is not problematic for a French player. If you're a decent French player, you love facing the Advance, you love facing the KIA, you love facing the Tarrasch, you love facing the Exchange, you love facing the Winawer, you love facing the Chigorin, etc, etc...)
Which is to say: there's nothing you can try, as white, that will make a competent French player "uncomfortable". Instead, you simply need to strive to outplay them. That starts with knowing what you're doing and knowing it well.
In what way is 3.e5 most aggressive? In my book it allows 3...c5 which is already an attempt to put d4 under pressure. In my studies of the French I concluded that 3.e5 is a lot less trying for black than 3.Nc3. But of course 3.Nc3 allows more good replies than 3.e5. In that sense it may be beneficial to play 3.e5, but otherwise? No.
3.e5 is indeed the most aggressive response to the French. Do not confuse most aggressive with most tactical. 3.Nc3 is the most tactical, and the theoretically best move available to White. However, 3.e5 is the most aggressive, looking to grab a lot of space, leaving Black with little, and aiming to impede Black's development as a whole (not just the Bishop on c8, that's just the one that happens to stick out like a sore thumb.
The actual attack for White comes after he has successfully restrained Black. This is why Black must act as quickly as possible to attack sore spots like d4, and no play moves like ...Bd7 early on.
Here is a really nasty win for White in the advance. Mate in 33 moves. Yeah, the Advance is a very aggressive approach!
I can't see you hame withe mate in 33. Thanks for your response.
Sorry, I forgot to put in the link.
I added the link to post 93. You should be able to see it now.
@mkkuhner: The Exchange Variation puts many French players (including me, alas)
@mkkuhner you are not alone! I am a French player too
Also: what does WCM stand for? I am new, so...