What's Black's Sharpest Response against 1.e4?

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melvinbluestone wrote:

 BTW, after 1.e4 g5!? (the reversed Grob) 2.d4 Bg7 3.Bxg5 c5!, black wins in all variations.


Nah, I don't buy that.

Say after 4.d5!? Bxb2 5.Nd2 Bxa1 6.Qxa1 I'd gladly take white.

And there is also 4.Nf3 Qb6 (4...cd4 5.Bc4 or even 5.Nxd4 Qb6? 6.Nb5 Bxb2 7 N1c3 and Black is almost lost) 5.Nc3 and now only a very brave man would take on b2.

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melvinbluestone wrote:

Splitting hairs here: the OP asked for the sharpest response to 1.e4...... So any opening that requires an intermediate move (like 1...e5) doesn't really qualify. The Latvian Gambit, for example, is a sharp opening, but it requires white to play 2.Nf3 first. 1.e4 e5 doesn't really qualify as a sharp response. It's nothing, yet. White can play 2.d3 or something, and there goes your Latvian. Anyway, now that I've made my annoying point, I'll add that the Sicilian, 1...c5, certainly qualifies as a sharp response, as does the Scandinavian. Yes, 1...d5 can lead to very positional play, but also to a lot of fireworks. Winners in the "unhealthy but sharp" catagory are stuff like 1...b5!? and 1...g5!?. Let's not even get into nonsense like rook pawn moves. They're not sharp, just stupid. 1...f5!?, the Duras Gambit, looks especially sharpo (sharpo is the technical term for really sharp). BTW, after 1.e4 g5!? (the reversed Grob) 2.d4 Bg7 3.Bxg5 c5!, black wins in all variations.


This is just foolish.

No opening is sharp on move two.  And yes, it makes perfect sense to build the bedrock of your repertoire around the assumption that white will play the best moves available to him...because if he doesn't, you've got nothing to worry about anyway.

So yes, after 1.e4e5, you can VERY safely say that the player in search of a base defense for a sharp repertoire NEEDS to focus on his response to 2.Nf3.  Because if white plays anything else, either easy equality or sharpness is in the bag.

After 1...c5, either player can still safely navigate into placid waters if he wants, too.  There's nothing cut and dried, here, one move in.  But a player who wants to build a sharp, Sicilian-based repertoire needs first and foremost to consider his response to the Open.  Because again...anything else leads to its own kind of sharpness, or known paths to equality.

So if you want to make that argument, the Latvian lets black steer things sharply starting on move two.  With the Sicilian, black may have to wait five moves or more to be sure he's not being pushed into a quiet line.

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ShadowBlinky wrote:
melvinbluestone wrote:

Splitting hairs here: the OP asked for the sharpest response to 1.e4...... So any opening that requires an intermediate move (like 1...e5) doesn't really qualify. The Latvian Gambit, for example, is a sharp opening, but it requires white to play 2.Nf3 first. 1.e4 e5 doesn't really qualify as a sharp response. It's nothing, yet. White can play 2.d3 or something, and there goes your Latvian. Anyway, now that I've made my annoying point, I'll add that the Sicilian, 1...c5, certainly qualifies as a sharp response, as does the Scandinavian. Yes, 1...d5 can lead to very positional play, but also to a lot of fireworks. Winners in the "unhealthy but sharp" catagory are stuff like 1...b5!? and 1...g5!?. Let's not even get into nonsense like rook pawn moves. They're not sharp, just stupid. 1...f5!?, the Duras Gambit, looks especially sharpo (sharpo is the technical term for really sharp). BTW, after 1.e4 g5!? (the reversed Grob) 2.d4 Bg7 3.Bxg5 c5!, black wins in all variations.


This is just foolish.

No opening is sharp on move two.  And yes, it makes perfect sense to build the bedrock of your repertoire around the assumption that white will play the best moves available to him...because if he doesn't, you've got nothing to worry about anyway.

So yes, after 1.e4e5, you can VERY safely say that the player in search of a base defense for a sharp repertoire NEEDS to focus on his response to 2.Nf3.  Because if white plays anything else, either easy equality or sharpness is in the bag.

After 1...c5, either player can still safely navigate into placid waters if he wants, too.  There's nothing cut and dried, here, one move in.  But a player who wants to build a sharp, Sicilian-based repertoire needs first and foremost to consider his response to the Open.  Because again...anything else leads to its own kind of sharpness, or known paths to equality.

So if you want to make that argument, the Latvian lets black steer things sharply starting on move two.  With the Sicilian, black may have to wait five moves or more to be sure he's not being pushed into a quiet line.


Not to mention that with a sicilian white can play passive moves wihtout black gaining attack. With the latvian the passive moves usually give black great positions. Unless of course your opponent knows 20 moves of latvian gambit, then u are screwed.

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Indeed, the Latvian can be a sharp opening. But after the most normal white response 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5?! 3.Nxe5 Qf6 4.Nc4 fe4 5.Nc3 Black stands on the wrong end of a sharp position: He is much worse, and a slight inaccuracy from him is fatal- while white has a great attacking game, no matter if black replies 5...Qf7 or 5...Qg6, with little risk.

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pfren wrote:

Indeed, the Latvian can be a sharp opening. But after the most normal white response 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 f5?! 3.Nxe5 Qf6 4.Nc4 fe4 5.Nc3 Black stands on the wrong end of a sharp position: He is much worse, and a slight inaccuracy from him is fatal- while white has a great attacking game, no matter if black replies 5...Qf7 or 5...Qg6, with little risk.


Funny, for the most common move people rarely play it.
Usually because white has no clue what to do even at move 3.

You shouldn't see it like white has acces to previous games. Not to mention that at amateur level people do not have the same positional understanding as a master.

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