When to take on C4 in QGD?? (Reply here)

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0ww0

I seen master games when black takes the dxe4 after a few moves in the QGD.  But I also read that black shouldn't take c4 pawn at any time in the QGD (Wikipedia)
 
 Am I confusing something?

Nimzowitsch2017

Taking on c4 is best after white has moved his light bishop to not give him a tempo when he does Bxc4

Slow_pawn
I play QGD as white a lot. If black is going to play dxc4 a good time to do it is after the light square bishop has moved like the above comment says. Also a lot of times in my experience black will try to set it up before taking so when they do take it they can keep it.
Yigor

LMAO tongue.pnggrin.png U can perfectly take the c4-pawn almost any time (whenever U want) and QGD will become (delayed) QGA. U have misunderstood the Wikipedia.

kindaspongey

For the Queen's Gambit,
First Steps: The Queen's Gambit by Andrew Martin (2016)
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7652.pdf
or Starting Out: Queen's Gambit Declined by Neil McDonald (2006)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627005627/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen93.pdf
might serve as a general introduction. We have often seen recommendation of the somewhat older book, Queen's Gambit Declined by Matthew Sadler (2000).
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708234438/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen15.txt
Declining the Queen's Gambit by John Cox (2011) "may be too complicated for players rated below 1700-1800."
https://web.archive.org/web/20140626233841/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen149.pdf

Perhap it would help to make an explicit choice of a QGD possibility favored by Lasker, Chigorin, Tarrasch, Tartakower, or Capablanca.

0ww0
Yigor wrote:

LMAO U can perfectly take the c4-pawn almost any time (whenever U want) and QGD will become (delayed) QGA. U have misunderstood the Wikipedia.

 For reasons below I agree I misread the wiki. But you should know that the based on my topic titles that I wasn't even talking about a QGA in the first place.... I am talking about when to take on C4 in the QGD not an immediate dcx4.....

 

 Here is the exact wiki quote ''In its broadest sense, the Queen's Gambit Declined is any variation of the Queen's Gambit in which Black does not play ...dxc4. Variations other than the Orthodox Line have their own names and are usually treated separately'' (QGA)

0ww0
mickynj wrote:

In two classic variations, Black plays dxc4 as part of a set of freeing exchanges

Laskers Defense

 

 And Capablanca's freeing maneuver

 

Thanks and sg_1999 as well.    I have the C5 to strike back at the center. It wasn't a Tarrasch defense because it was a well into a few moves in the QGD. Is this reasonable? 

HiReN555

Nimzowitsch2017 wrote:

Taking on c4 is best after white has moved his light bishop to not give him a tempo when he does Bxc4

Nimzowitsch2017 wrote: Taking on c4 is best after white has moved his light bishop to not give him a tempo when he does Bxc4

BronsteinPawn

When your body tells you to. Just like your body tells you its time to poop your body will tell you its time to play cxd4. Be one with the game, thats the trick.

Yigor
BronsteinPawn wrote:

When your body tells you to. Just like your body tells you its time to poop your body will tell you its time to play cxd4. Be one with the game, thats the trick.

 

LMAO Such a great advice. blitz.pnggrin.png And when distinct parts of the body tell different things ?!? tongue.png