Which answer do you like to give the Dutch Defense as White?

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David_Mary

White plays d4, black counters with f5.  What do you do next?  Choose your own adventure, and explain why you like your choice.

 

Staunton Attack

Hopton Gambit

Fianchetto Attack

Other? 

Gustavsons1

London, because they often overexpand and you suprise them by longcastles and a pawnstorm on right side of the board...

 

David_Mary

Help me out, is that Bishop C4?

Gustavsons1

bf4

 

Stil1
David_Mary wrote:

White plays d4, black counters with f5.  What do you do next?  Choose your own adventure, and explain why you like your choice.

 

Staunton Attack

Hopton Gambit

Fianchetto Attack

Other? 

I don't play 1.d4 too often.

If I face the Dutch, it'll happen from 1.Nf3.

And I'll usually fianchetto on the queenside:

 

David_Mary
Gustavsons1 wrote:

bf4

 


Thanks, looks like a chesslexic moment for me.

nighteyes1234

2 nf3...practice as black with an extra move.

Solmyr1234

Other: Raphael Variation.

Just like the GM told the kids:

Minute 10:50

You 0-0-0 and bombs away! fun!

Although I don't see why the GM assumes that Black would play e6. The database say Black can, and would, play Nf6 right away.

So I guess it's a Stauton Gambit via Raphael Variation:

 

HarshSaberTwitch

I like to play d4 f5 Bg5, not sure of the name though.

David_Mary
HarshSaberTwitch wrote:

I like to play d4 f5 Bg5, not sure of the name though.

 

Hopton Attack, one of the three I am considering, after watching Stjepan's intro video on the Dutch.

Solmyr1234
David_Mary wrote:
HarshSaberTwitch wrote:

I like to play d4 f5 Bg5, not sure of the name though.

 

Hopton Attack, one of the three I am considering, after watching Stjepan's intro video on the Dutch.

Just a general note, I used to play the Hopton Attack, because the Lichess.org analysis board database, said it's the best, and showed 0.7+ for White, but, it seems like this thing is changing from time to time... Right now (=3.1.2022) it said that 2.c4 is the best, showing 0.6+ for White, while 2.Bg5 gets only 0.5+, so what can I say...

David_Mary

White is better against Baltic in that video also because e4 kicked the knight with tempo, and white is also closer to castling short?

David_Mary

I skipped forward after the Baltic to the Dutch, and I'm sold.  I'll try it.  Thanks Solmyr1234.

adityasaxena4

I've never played against it yet but I might do something like this :

 

and then it's a race against time if white can crack the f and e files before Black opens white's queenside 

adityasaxena4

 

It could also be something like this 

busterlark
I like playing a mix of Bg5, Nc3, and e4, and then it’s 50/50 if I castle kingside or queenside, depending on which pawns black decides to push. The general idea is to weaken black's hold on e4, and then to place my light squared bishop on either c4 or d3, aiming at either f7 or h7, respectively. Paired with Nc3-e4-g5, at least I get some sort of idea of what to do.

Whether those plans work out is a different story
ConfusedGhoul

2. Bg5 is a recent move that's gaining popularity and it turns out its actually very good but in a classical game I would stick to the main-line with the kingside fianchetto, c4, Nf3, Nc3, O-O...

GeorgeWyhv14

e4 in a few starting transposition moves because I respect the dutch defense. Prolly have ideas against it as well.

Gustavsons1
adityasaxena4 rakstīja:

 

It could also be something like this 

I would call it a butterfly attack as the right side pawns form a butterfly like creature! thumbup.png

tygxc

Just the main line c4, Nf3, g3, Bg2, O-O, Nc3
Dutch is unsound, see figure 4. (a)
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2009.04374.pdf