Which Sicilian Defense (for Black) should I study and make part of my repertoire?

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PawnTsunami
An_asparagusic_acid wrote:

1) I always go to the bathroom on my opponents turn.

2) After 87 rated blitz games I am 2056 on lichess

3) My games quality are not engine level. Here is an example my playing level when I win(I was white):

 

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

An_asparagusic_acid
PawnTsunami wrote:
An_asparagusic_acid wrote:

1) I always go to the bathroom on my opponents turn.

2) After 87 rated blitz games I am 2056 on lichess

3) My games quality are not engine level. Here is an example my playing level when I win(I was white):

 

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

I have played EIGHTY SEVEN GAMES on lichess without getting BANNED.

mockingbird998

https://chessmood.com/course/nightmare-of-rossolimo I recommend Rossolimo. Watch the course, sure you will like it!

Commando_Droid

The Dragon is already refuted in the past. If White knows the theory, Black is in some trouble.

Commando_Droid

Najdorf, Classical, Paulsen, ect. All of them are good systems.

Oliver_Prescott

I like the French Sicilians such as the Taimanov systems.

 

Oliver_Prescott

I've also done a blog on a certain Sicilian variation I've been studying for about 3 years no, known as the a3 or Mengarini Sicilian Gambit, a sort of a deferred wing gambit. It goes sort of like this, and it gives me a 66% win rate.

For more information, I recommend reading this informative blog and news post. https://www.chess.com/blog/Oliver_Prescott/a-sicilian-miniature-1

 

FizzyBand
kingandqueen2017 wrote:

The Dragon is already refuted in the past. If White knows the theory, Black is in some trouble.

Yeah...no What’s the “refutation”

2Kf21-0

It depends on your playing style and how much time you are willing to spend on learning the opening. 

2Kf21-0
kingandqueen2017 wrote:

The Dragon is already refuted in the past. If White knows the theory, Black is in some trouble.

The dragon is not refuted. yes, maybe at the higher levels, it might be harder to play, specially against the Yugoslav, but it is not refuted. You just have to play with more caution. The dragon is really adored by youngsters, as it is a very energetic opening! One thing I know too is that black also has some ways that ha can play more soundly, which can be useful at the higher levels, but the Dragon also offers a lot of tricks that white can easily fall for! Take a look at this for example:

Here, almost anyone who never learned dragon theory would play the losing h4. The good move by white here would be Kb1! keeping the king off the c file because of the rook and so that white accidently doesn't get in trouble with getting his queen pinned by blacks dark squared bishop. But the king move isn't so easy to spot at the board, is it?

emchel

11. h4 is not at all losing, black is still the one trying to equalize after it. 11. Kb1 is simply more challenging, that's why nowadays, its more common to avoid this 11. Kb1 line with the Topalov variation.

2Kf21-0
emchel wrote:

11. h4 is not at all losing, black is still the one trying to equalize after it. 11. Kb1 is simply more challenging, that's why nowadays, its more common to avoid this 11. Kb1 line with the Topalov variation.

h4 is losing. While it is still a game, and black must still not lose, with best play, black is winning. White is just simply gonna fall apart and lose all his/her material, if black finds all the correct defenses.

emchel

Ok, according to both my master and correspondence database, h4 is played quite a lot (not as much as Kb1), and white has good results... I have never seen any piece of chess literature that mentioned this 11. h4 line to be losing for white. To be fair, I haven't looked at the dragon in a while, but I have a very hard time believing that 11. h4 is losing. Why do you think that 11. h4 is losing?

2Kf21-0
emchel wrote:

Ok, according to both my master and correspondence database, h4 is played quite a lot (not as much as Kb1), and white has good results... I have never seen any piece of chess literature that mentioned this 11. h4 line to be losing for white. To be fair, I haven't looked at the dragon in a while, but I have a very hard time believing that 11. h4 is losing. Why do you think that 11. h4 is losing?


in this position, white is forced to sac another pawn with h5, to open lines. If white just retakes, then white basically has no more pawns to storm black with anymore and whites position easily collapses. But then, white is down 2 pawns. That means black can get going with his/her plans while white still has to worry about regaining those 2 pawns. With best defense, is black doesnt blunder into getting mated, you will reach a position where your 2 panws up. Of course maybe I made that sound a little to harsh, but again, black still has to fight and not get mated. This is surely not the easiest position to play for black to play, but it is better for black if he knows how to defend.

emchel

Yes, I agree 13. g4 isn't so good, but the mainline is 13. Bg5. Theoretically, black is fine there, not winning. 

2Kf21-0
emchel wrote:

Yes, I agree 13. g4 isn't so good, but the mainline is 13. Bg5. Theoretically, black is fine there, not winning. 

hmm ok but doesnt Bg5 just slow down everything? Like the main idea of the sicilian is for both sides to attack the opponents king as fast as they can, and even if g4 is unsound, i thought that in tht position is the only way to fight for an advantage

 

but i may be outdated by now lol i never actually took such a close look at Bg5

emchel

Yes it may seem a bit slow, but it's quite dangerous. However, with correct play (which is very difficult to achieve), white has nothing, I think. This is why all the attention has shifted to 11. Kb1... And now, black players want to avoid Kb1 and play the Topalov variation. Again, I also might be outdated, but that's as far as my knowledge goes on the dragon.

EamonB1
Samurai-X wrote:

Najdorf? Dragon? Classical? Scheveningen? Sveshnikov? Accelerated Dragon? Kalashnikov? Taimanov? Kan? Four Knights? Pin Variation?

Exhilarated Dragon definitely. I can't tell you how many times that Fianchetto has save me IRL.

PawnTsunami
2Kf21-0 wrote:

in this position, white is forced to sac another pawn with h5, to open lines. If white just retakes, then white basically has no more pawns to storm black with anymore and whites position easily collapses. But then, white is down 2 pawns. That means black can get going with his/her plans while white still has to worry about regaining those 2 pawns. With best defense, is black doesnt blunder into getting mated, you will reach a position where your 2 panws up. Of course maybe I made that sound a little to harsh, but again, black still has to fight and not get mated. This is surely not the easiest position to play for black to play, but it is better for black if he knows how to defend.

This is completely wrong.

First, White is not "forced" to sacrifice his g-pawn.  In fact, 13. g4 is the 4th most popular move (and the first in the list of moves played that gives Black a slight edge).  The mainline is 13. Bg5 where the game takes on a more positional feel.  The next 2 most popular moves in the position are Bh6 and Kb1.  All 3 have good scores for White (53%-56%).

Second, in your next comment, you say "isn't the idea behind the Sicilian that both sides are throwing things at the opponent's king as quickly as possible" which is completely wrong.  Just like any quality opening, there are lines where things are more tactical, and other lines where they are more positional.  In the Dragon, when Black shuts down the h-file attack with an early h5, White has to shift gears.  Similarly, when White plays the Maroczy Bind against the Accelerated Dragon, a good way to lose quickly is to try to go for an all-out attack in the opening.

Third, while 12. Kb1 is better, 12. h4 is far from losing.  It simply shifts the theme of the game.

2Kf21-0
PawnTsunami wrote:
2Kf21-0 wrote:

in this position, white is forced to sac another pawn with h5, to open lines. If white just retakes, then white basically has no more pawns to storm black with anymore and whites position easily collapses. But then, white is down 2 pawns. That means black can get going with his/her plans while white still has to worry about regaining those 2 pawns. With best defense, is black doesnt blunder into getting mated, you will reach a position where your 2 panws up. Of course maybe I made that sound a little to harsh, but again, black still has to fight and not get mated. This is surely not the easiest position to play for black to play, but it is better for black if he knows how to defend.

This is completely wrong.

First, White is not "forced" to sacrifice his g-pawn.  In fact, 13. g4 is the 4th most popular move (and the first in the list of moves played that gives Black a slight edge).  The mainline is 13. Bg5 where the game takes on a more positional feel.  The next 2 most popular moves in the position are Bh6 and Kb1.  All 3 have good scores for White (53%-56%).

Second, in your next comment, you say "isn't the idea behind the Sicilian that both sides are throwing things at the opponent's king as quickly as possible" which is completely wrong.  Just like any quality opening, there are lines where things are more tactical, and other lines where they are more positional.  In the Dragon, when Black shuts down the h-file attack with an early h5, White has to shift gears.  Similarly, when White plays the Maroczy Bind against the Accelerated Dragon, a good way to lose quickly is to try to go for an all-out attack in the opening.

Third, while 12. Kb1 is better, 12. h4 is far from losing.  It simply shifts the theme of the game.

white is not better tho