For the same reason people allow the 2, and 4 move mate. Its part of the learning process.
Who created the "Ware Opening: Meadow Hay Trap" and why would you use it?
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What I don't understand is: why was it in the chess.com database in the first place? And who "invented" this opening?
Who "invented" tripping over your shoelace and falling down the stairs? There are things you don't invent, they just happen to you when you're not paying attention!
Laskersnephew wrote:
Who "invented" tripping over your shoelace and falling down the stairs? There are things you don't invent, they just happen to you when you're not paying attention!
My main question is, why was it even in the chess.com database?
Jun 8, 2020
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For the same reason chessbase has games with the 2 and 4 move mate. Because they have been played.
Kai_boy wrote:
I saw this opening called the "Ware Opening: Meadow Hay Trap" that goes like this:
1. a4 2. e5 3. Ra3
I still remember my chess coach saying "Don't do that. It's a beginner's trap and black can take your rook." So why would anybody play it?
Millions of people learned those stuffs by own learning.
Your coach is similar to a mom telling a 2-years-old kid, " dont touch fire, it is hot".
Jun 8, 2020
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#9
this game called chess. thousands of openings......how many games require this much study?
Jun 8, 2020
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#10
Its all part of the learning process. You learn how the pieces move. Then you learn the 2 move mate, and think it will beat everyone. Until you grow some more, and learn more. So you move on to the 4 move mate, and again you think you're invincible. That is until you learn and grow some more. Wash, Rinse, Repeat.
Jun 9, 2020
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#11
an opening being named tells you little about how good it is. Plenty of utter rubbish has a name.
Jun 9, 2020
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#12
Dunno. But even by silly Chess standards, that name is just ridiculous.
Kai_boy wrote:
I saw this opening called the "Ware Opening: Meadow Hay Trap" that goes like this:
1. a4 2. e5 3. Ra3
I still remember my chess coach saying "Don't do that. It's a beginner's trap and black can take your rook." So why would anybody play it?
I have been advocating for this opening for a long time on the forum. It is pretty amazing.
Jun 9, 2020
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#14
I once had a kid tell me he wanted to learn this opening, this opening, and this opening. Now we are talking about someone that knew how the pieces move and that is it. I explained to him how that is a bad way to learn ,and explained why. he wanted nothing to do with it. He wanted to learn openings. So...ok openings he learned. He quit chess less than a year later because he hadn't won a single game.
His parents asked me what happened? I explained that all he wanted to learn were openings, and he flat out refused to do anything else but openings.
But I don't see whats the TRAP. Even if black develops instead of taking the rook he has control of the center and the rook is pretty silly and you can hardly develop
He did not win a single game? The issue was not that he only wanted to learn openings, he might just have been an awful player.
Too bad he quit though, probably did not have the chance to learn how wonderful 1.a4 2.Ra3 is.
Jun 9, 2020
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Confused-psyduck wrote:
He did not win a single game? The issue was not that he only wanted to learn openings, he might just have been an awful player.
Too bad he quit though, probably did not have the chance to learn how wonderful 1.a4 2.Ra3 is.
That is the point. Dont get me wrong. Great family. Great kid. Dad taught him how the pieces move. The kid took to chess like the proverbial duck to water. So what went wrong? Dad got him watching chess videos. Not on the basics, but videos on speed chess, bullet chess, wild tactics, and sacrifices galore! So obviously the kid thinks WOW,,,,chess is fun and awesome! I want to play like that!!!!
SO that's what he wanted. Did not care about needing to build a foundation. Didn't care that he had made the decision to skip all the basics. He wanted to be TACTICAL!!! He wanted to play like those players in the videos. Completely ignoring the fact that those players had spent years honing their craft. He just thought he could do what they do.
So we have a kid that knew how the piece move, played nothing but bullet, and games less than 5 minutes. Was obviously horrible at it. But celebrated his wins on time though he was down material. So he decides he wants to plat OTB. He enters his first scholastic tournament (G30). He bangs out all his moves in seconds. Never spending more than 2-3 minutes on the entire game. Loses all his games, and cant understand why he lost? I mean, he played all his openings. He sacrificed pieces for pawns with no compensation. But that's the the players in the video did! This went on for a few more tournaments until he finally quit out of frustration.
KetoOn1963 wrote:
Confused-psyduck wrote:
He did not win a single game? The issue was not that he only wanted to learn openings, he might just have been an awful player.
Too bad he quit though, probably did not have the chance to learn how wonderful 1.a4 2.Ra3 is.
So we have a kid that knew how the piece move, played nothing but bullet, and games less than 5 minutes. Was obviously horrible at it. But celebrated his wins on time though he was down material. So he decides he wants to plat OTB. He enters his first scholastic tournament (G30). He bangs out all his moves in seconds. Never spending more than 2-3 minutes on the entire game. Loses all his games, and cant understand why he lost? I mean, he played all his openings. He sacrificed pieces for pawns with no compensation. But that's the the players in the video did! This went on for a few more tournaments until he finally quit out of frustration.
That's why you shouldn't get addicted to bullet.
Jun 9, 2020
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Kai_boy wrote:
KetoOn1963 wrote:
Confused-psyduck wrote:
He did not win a single game? The issue was not that he only wanted to learn openings, he might just have been an awful player.
Too bad he quit though, probably did not have the chance to learn how wonderful 1.a4 2.Ra3 is.
So we have a kid that knew how the piece move, played nothing but bullet, and games less than 5 minutes. Was obviously horrible at it. But celebrated his wins on time though he was down material. So he decides he wants to plat OTB. He enters his first scholastic tournament (G30). He bangs out all his moves in seconds. Never spending more than 2-3 minutes on the entire game. Loses all his games, and cant understand why he lost? I mean, he played all his openings. He sacrificed pieces for pawns with no compensation. But that's the the players in the video did! This went on for a few more tournaments until he finally quit out of frustration.
That's why you shouldn't get addicted to bullet.
Its not even about that, though that is part of it. Its about not playing fast when you're learning.
Its not even about being addicted to bullet. As i posted. He watched videos of bullet and speed chess, and thought he could do what they do.
I saw this opening called the "Ware Opening: Meadow Hay Trap" that goes like this:
I still remember my chess coach saying "Don't do that. It's a beginner's trap and black can take your rook." So why would anybody play it?