Why Do So Few Players Take On c3?

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LightninHopkins
ewq85 wrote:

I'm to tired to go into much detail but dxc5 is bad for white. My reasoning? Stockfish says so lol.

The evaluations change with each move, though.

tigerprowl9

"And why do so few grandmasters, and even lower-ranked players avoid taking the piece?"

Because a3 looks so much more sensible.

X_PLAYER_J_X

@OP

You asked 2 question's. The first one is on your Topic Title

Why Do So Few Players Take On c3?

The second one is the below question which I highlighted in green.

The questions in orange have already been answered. You answered them with the text I highlighted in blue.

LightninHopkins wrote:

White's idea is to play Qd1-Qg4, Bd3, and then Nf3 when he has a nice attack rolling on the kingside, but how is white supposed to play with tripled pawns?

 
Granted white has gotten rid of black's "good bishop", where is the compensation? And why do so few grandmasters, and even lower-ranked players avoid taking the piece?
You would think black has an easy game with Qd8-Qa5 or Qd8-Qc7 followed by Nc6.

I gave you my analysis of the position in which are most seen by high level players. I did so in order to show why I believe they take on c3.

Than I compared it to your position. Furthermore, I proceeded to give you my interpretation of why I believe in your position it is not so great to take the piece on c3.

LightninHopkins wrote:

Why do you feel the need to give me a lacture?

LightninHopkins wrote:

You are telling me everything I already know. I'm not clueless about the French.

God, that was a long and obnoxious post...

The fact you think 5. dxc5 deserves a dubious symbol makes me question your entire post.

You than say the above posts to me?

TitanCG
LightninHopkins wrote:
TitanCG wrote:

I don't see what is so solid about 5.dc Nc6 6.Qg4 Ne7. White is burning bridges here and is practically forced into complications.

And black isn't? Come on now...

White can very easily crush black with one tiny mistake.

Maybe but if Black was worried about that they'd just play 3...Nf6. Still I can't see this as "solid" at all as here Black has potential counterplay on e5 and d4 and shouldn't be in a rush to capture on c3 due to the now open nature of the position. 

I think the main idea of 5.dxc5 is to get some calm and non-theoretical position after 5...Nc6 6.Nf3. I'm not saying that 6.Qg4 is bad and maybe White can play this way but I think it just gives Black more options than after the immediate 5.Qg4.

ewq85

LightninHopkins wrote:

ewq85 wrote:

I'm to tired to go into much detail but dxc5 is bad for white. My reasoning? Stockfish says so lol.

The evaluations change with each move, though.

And that's why I analyzed beyond dxc5. The move gives black a slight advantage and then holds it. I believe it was something like, dxc5 Nc6. Nf3 Nge7. a3 Bxc3. bxc3 Qa5. Bd2 Qxc5. Bd3 Ng6. Qe2 Nf4. Qd1 Nxd3. and black is fine. Not 100 percent winning or anything but black does maintain it's small advantage at least that far.

X_PLAYER_J_X

This post will be directed to the OP

Since you do not like long obnoxious lecture's.

This post will be Short and Sweet.

Why Do So Few Players Take On c3?

Grand Masters do not take on c3 becuase they are not patzers.

LightninHopkins wrote:
why do so few grandmasters, and even lower-ranked players avoid taking the piece?

As long as Grand Masters are recognized as the top level of chess, the chess community from novice up will follow their lead and do what they do.

Have a nice day.

tigerprowl9

Anyone have a more recent game with the elites?  Here is a Carlsen one where he lost with a mate to boot!! Smile



LightninHopkins
tigerprowl9 wrote:

Anyone have a more recent game with the elites?  Here is a Carlsen one where he lost with a mate to boot!!

 



5. Qg4 is considred somewhat dubious.

LightninHopkins
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:

@OP

You asked 2 question's. The first one is on your Topic Title

Why Do So Few Players Take On c3?

The second one is the below question which I highlighted in green.

The questions in orange have already been answered. You answered them with the text I highlighted in blue.

LightninHopkins wrote:

White's idea is to play Qd1-Qg4, Bd3, and then Nf3 when he has a nice attack rolling on the kingside, but how is white supposed to play with tripled pawns?

 
Granted white has gotten rid of black's "good bishop", where is the compensation? And why do so few grandmasters, and even lower-ranked players avoid taking the piece?
You would think black has an easy game with Qd8-Qa5 or Qd8-Qc7 followed by Nc6.

I gave you my analysis of the position in which are most seen by high level players. I did so in order to show why I believe they take on c3.

Than I compared it to your position. Furthermore, I proceeded to give you my interpretation of why I believe in your position it is not so great to take the piece on c3.

LightninHopkins wrote:

Why do you feel the need to give me a lacture?

LightninHopkins wrote:

You are telling me everything I already know. I'm not clueless about the French.

God, that was a long and obnoxious post...

The fact you think 5. dxc5 deserves a dubious symbol makes me question your entire post.

You than say the above posts to me?

Oh, sorry. That was rude of me. 

I know you were trying to help.

X_PLAYER_J_X
LightninHopkins wrote:

Oh, sorry. That was rude of me. 

I know you were trying to help.

LOL Yeah my feathers got ruffled little bit lol. Took me over 2-3 hours to make that post lol than I had to start over again because my net went down. Which took another couple of hours becuase I didn't have it saved so I had to redo it lol than I saw your response and was thinking in my mind lol Oh you jerk/troll lol.

However, I am kool now pretty mellow lol. I got myself an ice cream to kool down.

I had more I was going to add before my net went down lol. I didn't add it to the above post becuase I wanted to post it before lol net went down again was kind of storming outside.

The above picture was a nice continuation I saw as black. Instead of playing Bxc3+ playing Qc7.

I don't think I will explain it though it was just a side continuation I was looking at. I added highlights though.

Uhohspaghettio1

x_player_j_x, can you please stop posting in a bigger font to everyone else? It is VERY annoying. Why should your text deserve to get a bigger font?

Samantha212

Bravo -  Really enjoyed your explanation x_player_j_x -   Thanks for taking the time to thoroughly explain your position on the issue and posting it in a visual game format instead of reciting board positions as you often see in the forums. 

LightninHopkins
X_PLAYER_J_X wrote:
LightninHopkins wrote:

Oh, sorry. That was rude of me. 

I know you were trying to help.

LOL Yeah my feathers got ruffled little bit lol. Took me over 2-3 hours to make that post lol than I had to start over again because my net went down. Which took another couple of hours becuase I didn't have it saved so I had to redo it lol than I saw your response and was thinking in my mind lol Oh you jerk/troll lol.

However, I am kool now pretty mellow lol. I got myself an ice cream to kool down.

I had more I was going to add before my net went down lol. I didn't add it to the above post becuase I wanted to post it before lol net went down again was kind of storming outside.

 

The above picture was a nice continuation I saw as black. Instead of playing Bxc3+ playing Qc7.

I don't think I will explain it though it was just a side continuation I was looking at. I added highlights though.

Actually, that's one of the more annoying moves to face. 

Here is a nice miniature, where black gets absolutely crushed in the opening:



X_PLAYER_J_X
Optimissed wrote:

Why can't you edit the font here?

Yeah they only give you 1 Font on here. Which is Font Family 3 or 4 which is suppose to be 12 point. However, Font Family 3(12 point) is not the same as Times Roman 12 point font. It is smaller.

Which is why I like to use Font Family 5. It is a little bigger to read easier on the eye's and not as annoying as like the very huge font sizes.