Why don't GM's play the King's Gambit in long games?

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Musikamole

I can find blitz/rapid games, but not standard.  Why?




I don't know if the game below is Standard or Blitz?






SmyslovFan

You may want to look a bit longer:

Edit: I see you've now added this one. There are of course  more.

NimzoRoy
Musikamole wrote:

I can find blitz/rapid games, but not standard.  Why?

Because you didn't look hard enough and/or because you didn't look in the right places...and also because you haven't figured out how to use search engines (yet) www.cln.org/searching_faqs.html

Morphy, Marshall, Pillsbury, Anderssen and other "old-timers" played the KG from time to time - or more frequently; among modern GMs Bronstein, Fischer and Spassky are just a few who have used this time-honored opening on occasion...

http://blog.chess.com/NimzoRoy/boris-amp-bronstein-duke-it-out

http://blog.chess.com/NimzoRoy/spassky-slam-dunks-fischer

http://blog.chess.com/NimzoRoy/marshall-0-falkbeer-counter-gambit-1

 

baddogno

In our own chess.com game explorer I just found 4840 games; they can't all be blitz/rapid.

SmyslovFan

If you are curious, you can go to chessgames.com and type C30-C39 into the search engine. Limit the games to 2012. You'll find ~30 games where white was a GM.

xxvalakixx

GM's not playing dubious openings. (exception always can be) The king's gambit is not a sound gambit. But it is perfect in blitz, because blitz is tactics, and for tactical games the king's gambit is a good opening. But if the opponent knows how to play, then they wont have any advantage, so it is better to play the ruy lopez.

nameno1had

baddogno wrote:

In our own chess.com game explorer I just found 4840 games; they can't all be blitz/rapid.

I would think it wouldn't be a good idea to put rapid/blitz game results into a database that is generally be viewed for the purpose of finding the sound play to study or showcase....

Ziryab

ChessBase scoring percentages include games from the Baku under 12 girls championship, and many hundreds of comparable events.

pfren

Black is in trouble when meeting the King's gambit: He has no less than a dozen of good lines, but he can pick only one at a time.

The above quote belongs to Nigel Short, who is one of the few top players which occasinally employ the King's gambit.

Ziryab

Shaw's book is very good, indeed I think it could be the model for future books on other openings. He is wrong about 2.Bc4, though.

Ziryab

Yes. Sorry. He's wrong about 3.Bc4. He does not mention 2.Bc4, as that is not the King's Gambit (although it's a better opening than it seems at first).

TheOldReb

How often has Shaw played the kings gambit himself ?  Wink

TheOldReb

Does he recommend the knight's gambit or bishop's gambit in the KGA ?  Joe Gallagher recommended the kings knight's gambit .

NigelShart

The King's Gambit is the best opening ever.  It is a forced win after white plays the quiet move Be2.  I believe a Rybka cluster has proved this.

lejuju

The king's gambit has been so much analysed that's it's now a draw game for grand master.It's still used at top level to disrupt the opponent.

For exemple Carlsen played it in 2015 against Aronian at the Norway Masters Blitz. They drew the game !

In classic play :

Nakamura-Tomashevsky (Tal Memorial 2012) 1/2 - 1/2

Nakamura - Adams (London Classic 2011) 1 -0

Fedorov - Carlsen (Dubai open 2004) 1/2 - 1/2

 

No opening is really better than another one. it depends on how you play, how your opponnent respond and how you'll be able to play when you'llout of the book

pfren

3.Bc4 is not good because of 3...d5!, not Shaw's 3...Nc6 (his "refutation" was "refuted" at Chesspub).

corum
pfren wrote:

3.Bc4 is not good because of 3...d5!, not Shaw's 3...Nc6 (his "refutation" was "refuted" at Chesspub).

Though GM Simon WIlliams is recommending 3. Bc4 as white's best continuation after 1. e4 e5 2. f5 exf4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1uGhq-mRfU

 

MorphysMayhem
TheOldReb wrote:

How often has Shaw played the kings gambit himself ?  

Shaw played it extensively. 

BeatleFred

One thing is for certain:  the Kings Gambit is never boring, always interesting games. As for me, I play f4 on the 3rd move, rather than the 2nd.  2) Nc3 3) f4  the Vienna gambit.  Lots of interesting lines/variations to play in the Vienna as well.  3) g3 can also be played - Spassky beat Korchnoi with it in their match, (January '78)

FizzyBand

With correct play against the KG black can get at the bare minimum equality and usually a slight advantage. However, in a practical game it is hard to know the exact path in some positions as black.