Bishop_g5 wrote:
Yeah it doesn't! You can play the Berlin where black accept the inferior position to fight for or the Jaenish where black has 15 moves to gain something either wise is positionally lost! Come on...what are we talking now!?
Bullshit' of course. The main idea of the Jaenisch currently is a pawn down ending where Black has fair and easy compensation.
Ok, let's play all a ending with a less pawn and compensate from the position?! instead of a6,b5.
I always thought that those who decide to a Shiellmann defense it's to surprise with a non solid line and not to play this ending but thank you Pfren, I will check it out to see what's worth for.
Oh! Please FOS educate us a little more...such a knowledge of yours, it's peaty to gone wasted!
Oh! God! Help me with this guy! If you can't understand why it's a weakness for black to expand early his Queen side structure and what problems causes the a4 move then it has no meaning this discussion. I believe i read somewhere back in this thread an example of what this a4 do from your friend Thriller fun and I don't want to repeat someone else wards. Just go back and read.
As for the Najdorf, the same its there too only that there is no Bb5 played to force the b5 move, but there are many variations where if black chooses to move early b5 then a4 comes to punish his position. I remember one of his latest games Grischuk played in Norway chess the Najdorf where he admitted after the game, that he went superficial to early b5. I can find it , if you like to read it.
We disagreeing in to the fact that in the 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 opening the move Bb5 is by far more critical than any other, what makes the Ruy Lopez superior than any other choice. Dunno this?
FOS the Najdorf Sicilian has nothing to do with the Spanish. In the Sicilian black doesnt occupy the center and trie to control from dinstance until he make the d5 or e5 push. Dont try to compare unsimilar things. The problem with the early a6,b5 has to do with how consolidate are the rest of your pieces,castling,center pawn structure e.t.c Its not only a Queen side matter. In the Schvesnikov for example the position is tottally different where the a6,b5 does not affect the continuation as much for black but gives the c4 brake for white later.
What i am saying is that with Bb5 in the Ruy Lopez white forces black to play a6,b5 in a point where the rest of his pieces and general position are not ready to support. Why its difficult to understand this?
Oh! Jesus! What are you talking about? What voluntary are you speaking off? Do you understand that you know nothing for the open Sicilian? Please stop this. There is no meaning.
What i am saying is that with Bb5 in the Ruy Lopez white forces black to play a6,b5 in a point where the rest of his pieces and general position are not ready to support. Why its difficult to unferstand this?
This statement is incorrect.
The objective of Bb5 is not to force black to play a6 and b5.
In fact black is not forced to play those moves at all. So this is totally incorrect.
The objective of Bb5 is to indirectly pressure the center e5 pawn. It has nothing to do with the moves a6 or b5.
White will one day have a hope of taking the knight on c6 and than taking the e5 pawn. However, It can not be done to early. White has to wait until they have made preparations/given defense to the e4 pawn first.
Otherwise moves like Qd4 regains the pawn back for black.
The move 3...a6 was introduced as a dou purpose move.
Will they take the knight?
Will they drop back and maintin the pin?
Will they retreat away? etc
This is the function/idea of the moves a6 and b5.
However, nothing is forced and 3...Nf6 Berlin Defense proves alternative moves can be played.
Furthermore, Black has even more options than just these 2 mentioned such as:
3...Bc5 Which is the Classical Variation of the Ruy Lopez.
3...Nge7 Which is the Cozio Defense which simply reinforces the knight making sure there is always a guard on the e5 square.
So yes you obviously have no idea what your talking about.
An you have no idea what the term forcing means in chess.
Oh please X player stop projecting your stupidity. Everyone knows that you are a troll here, you dont have to prove that again! Take your cozio defense and 3...Bc5 where you will need to play again a6,b5 and go play with beginners. Premature Sandbanger!
He's right though. You try to claim a6 and b5 are forced in the Ruy.
In 3 Ruy Lopez games in last years World Championship, guess how many times black played a6 and b5?
Oh please X player stop projecting your stupidity. Everyone knows that you are a troll here, you dont have to prove that again! Take your cozio defense and 3...Bc5 where you will need to play again a6,b5 and go play with beginners. Premature Sandbanger!
Your nonsense has been refuted OTF (Over The Forum)
gg Sir.
Try again another time.
Scottrf@ if you check out the previous posts , you will understand that we excluded the Berlin and other inferior variations.
Finally i discovered who plays the Cozio here.
He's right though. You try to claim a6 and b5 are forced in the Ruy.
In 3 Ruy Lopez games in last years World Championship, guess how many times black played a6 and b5?
They forgot to play them, sir.
Let's forgive those poor patzers, OK?
Scottrf@ if you check out the previous posts , you will understand that we excluded the Berlin and other inferior variations.
Finally i discovered who plays the Cozio here.
You can't be serious!
Scottrf@ if you check out the previous posts , you will understand that we excluded the Berlin and other inferior variations.
Finally i discovered who plays the Cozio here.
So forced, except when it isn't.
I get you.
like...maybe you are trying to compare 2 openings...ruy and italian...claiming the ruy is better...and dont even know squat about either! i actually know a fair amount on both.
True. Your klowledge about them could fit on the back of a poststamp.
FOS it is obvious that you are struggling to understand why white plays for an initiative in those positions as the same you cant understand why the open Sicilian offers more opportunities for white than your favorite Alapin. I am not saying that i completelly understand all but i can seperate some differences.
You have said that you are a player that needs something to catch from and play. Perhaps this is the reason why you don't understand....in those positions the game is everywhere.
It's not the same with a Marshall attack where white can play a anti-Marshall if this is what your meaning is about. Here black does not have any kind of Queen side expansion and white didn't avoid d4. The same Kasparov used to play always Anti-Marshall because of the drawish positions black can force but that proves a lot of the power of Bb5. Today the 8.a4 anti-Marshall line consider's one of the most interesting lines cause of that Queen side expansion.