Why is the Samisch a rare reply to the nimzo?

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That's the KID. And that's not even a rare response, but Nf3 is better, so it's more common.

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I meant to say KID. 

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darek123 wrote:
 

KID. My bad

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It strengthens the d4 square, develops a piece, and prepares to castle. However, f3 is probably the next best move and has its own advantages. There's nothing really wrong with f3, I just think Nf3 is more productive.

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Do you mean among top grandmasters? I think the Bayonnet attack is generally seen as the most principled way to beat the King's Indian. Among club players maybe a reason is opening repertoire books don't recommend it too often. Avrukh's repertoire suggests 3.g3, and Starting out d4 suggests the bayonnet attack. It's still popular enough though, I beat you with it :)

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This variation is extremely reliable, even at super GM level. Spassky played it 5 times against Fischer in 1992. I know theory has changed since then, but I think those games should still confirm the opening's reliability.

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Saemisch Variation in the Nimzo Indian Defense looks like this:


Saemisch Variation in the Kings Indian Defense looks like this:

Saemisch Variation in the Gruenfeld Defense looks like this:

HA HA tricked you couldn't find a Saemisch Variatoin against the Gruenfeld.

However, there is a line which comes close but it has a different name.

The name of the lines called Neo-Grunfeld Defense/Goglidze Attack. So this would be the closest to a Saemisch you could get.



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Fiveofswords I wasn't saying that the Saemisch isn't reliable opening, just that the very top grandmasters seemed to have abandoned the King's Indian (minus Radjabov) because of the Bayonnet Attack. It even got Kasparov to to stop playing the KID. 

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I think this might be unpopular because the gameplay for white isn't typical for a 1.d4 opening.

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I have always found 3.g3 harder to play against than the Bayonet for some reason.

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Saemisch is very common in my opinion...

Often played at Top level and at club level.

What is the best move at this moment has no answer : Nf3, f3, h3, g3, f4, Cge2, and some other side lines, none of them is proven better than another because Black is OK theorically speaking in all these variations.

Maybe the problem is h3, Tomashevsky is a killer with it, because it brings positions that are not easy to handle with Black, and move order is tricky.

About the Saemisch, there was a problem with it when the gambit c5 appeared and was improved to give Black an easy game.

Indeed, what a discovery because instead of Nbd7 and c5, u can play c5 and Nc6, where c6 is a more active square so theorically Black gained something.

But thats not so simple, White improved in some variations (refused gambit), and then Black improved, etc, thats the life of an opening...

Gufeld was very reluctant to f3 move, asking where do u place your g1 knight now u use its best square.

Here is one fabulous game, and what is fantastic about it, this sac Nxc4 was played 2 years ago, and was already analysed by Kasparov maybe 20 years ago... This guy was really awesome.



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Yes, it's interesting that so many on chess com think the KingsIndian isn't playable. It had it's problems at top level maybe ten years ago but black found counter possibilities. Chess isn't mathmatics were something is proved for ever. More like an arms race were first oneside then the other find improvements.

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poucin wrote:

 

Maybe the problem is h3, Tomashevsky is a killer with it, because it brings positions that are not easy to handle with Black, and move order is tricky

 

  Is it 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.h3. you are referring to  As given in Watsons repetoire book?  I have done reasonably well with that one

 

 

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The funny part is, there actually is a Saemisch Variation of the Nimzo-Indian as well.

 

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.a3