USCF and chess.com rating

Tbh I’ve never really understood the purpose of FFE rating, as all tourneys are fide rated too. However I am not taking sides and do not know about other countries

And ECF ratings I think a lot of people also find useless for similar reasons (although there are some rare non fide tourneys ig)

USCF is unique because they never have any FIDE tourneys which seems kind of odd when they have so much money compared to other federations. What are they doing with all that money???

The US is very spread out, without widespread public transportation. Outside big metropolitan areas, FIDE rated events are usually not doable. There's still a place for a national rating system that supports smaller, regional events.

While it obviously depends on where you live (although I’d assume this goes for most places in the world), there are plenty of dual FIDE+USCF-rated events in the US. I live in a fairly mediocre area for chess, so there’s not really any in this area, but about three hours north there’s probably one-two FIDE tournaments a month. Places like NYC, Charlotte, San Francisco etc. have them all the time.

I’ve played in a few dozen FIDE events in the US. They definitely exist.

I confirmed that Martin_Stahl statement that 50 percentile USCF rating is under 800. This is active players. I've noticed that average FIDE ratings are higher for inactive than active players. I've a FIDE rating and only played in USCF tournaments, so I've also played in dual rated tournaments. Dual rated tournaments seems to fairly recent occurrences, and seems to be only major tournaments. Also, higher sections in class tournaments. For example, World Open, I believe, is only FIDE rated for sections 3 and above (class A plus).

Is there any way to check that for ecf? I'm wondering why it's such a big difference

Don't know about the Brits. I'd be skeptical about AI. I think AI claims 1500 is average for USCF (maybe true for inactive players, who knows?). USCF rating seems to be low because USCF encourages scholastic tournaments and so there's a lot of children with mediocre ratings. Thinking about it: didn't the British change their rating system a while ago?

Yeah I'm skeptical as well, that's why I wanted to check myself (we have used 4 digit ratings for 6 years now)

There's way less scholastic tournaments here so that probably explains any difference

I found it in the ECF statistics page under standard play ratings review

https://rating.englishchess.org.uk/library/statistics.html

The average ECF rating is 1612 which is over 800 more than USCF wow lol. Is this just because there's more Scholastic chess in USA? What's the reason here? That's an insane difference

USCF ratings are only inflated in comparison to FIDE until around 1750, at which point they even out. In fact, over 1750 until 2200, FIDE is inflated compared to USCF.

Replacing national rating systems with FIDE wouldn't solve the issue of inflation for the same reason that the rapid pool on chess.com is inflated in comparison to the blitz pool. The US FIDE branch, for example, would develop its own local rating average differing from the global average since the player pool is largely divorced from the rest of the international FIDE branches. You already see this in places like India, where FIDE rating is harder to come by than places like England. A 1700 FIDE indian player is for the most part stronger than a 1700 English player.

That is to say, English FIDE ratings are inflated compared to Indian and Russian FIDE ratings, for example. Unless you play internationally, your FIDE rating is really only representative of your strength compared to other English FIDE players.

Yeah, if you exclude scholastic players, the average adult rating is ~1500

#50 lots of national tourneys + lack of fide tourneys = underrated fide ratings

So English ratings are more deflated compared to Spain for example because every Spanish tourney is fide rated

I think the differences between countries in fide rating would be pretty minimal if we got rid of national ratings

I would need to see statistics for fide being higher than USCF above 1750, that doesn't sound right to me (not chessgoals, that sites a joke)

Appears to me that Burnttoastandjam has his correspondence from FIDE to USCF backwards. At low ratings FIDE tends to be higher; At high ratings USCF tends to be higher. I'm looking at World Open, in order to play in open section without paying extra one needs a FIDE of 2000+ or a USCF of 2200+. So the organizers consider USCF inflated compared to FIDE at master level.

This also implies inflation

So according to this 1400 FIDE = 1120 USCF 👀

Then at around 1900 FIDE it starts getting deflated compared to USCF

CBB, you didn't give your source, but it agrees with my understanding. Note the formula gives a USCF 1277 for a 1500 FIDE, so isn't inflation at lower ratings.

It's chess Cincinnati’s recommended rating conversion

Yeah I'm agreeing with you, the other person seems to have it the wrong way around

I think it would be nice to have 1 rating system where you don't need a calculator to figure out your real rating