Abhishek2 wrote:
what model? what does he do?
G-Star Raw clothes.
Chess players who had also another job
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Vease wrote:
I think Fine had retired when he became a psychologist...Taimanov is the one that always gets me, a World Class chess grandmaster AND an internationally admired concert pianist...how on earth could someone have that much talent?
I think when he got annihilated 6-0 or something by Fischer his reply was something like "Oh well, at least I can still play the piano!"
Luke McShane, who works for some large financial company or similar, is often referred to as the only amateur super-GM. I hate to think how good he would be if he devoted all his time to chess.
Search for "magnus carlsen model" in Google images and it returns loads of results of him doing stuff for G-Star Raw.
madhacker wrote:
Luke McShane, who works for some large financial company or similar, is often referred to as the only amateur super-GM. I hate to think how good he would be if he devoted all his time to chess.
Investment banking. There's a lot of people who would become really good chess players but devote their talent to IB instead, because they can make tons of money.
plutonia wrote:
madhacker wrote:
Luke McShane, who works for some large financial company or similar, is often referred to as the only amateur super-GM. I hate to think how good he would be if he devoted all his time to chess.
Investment banking. There's a lot of people who would become really good chess players but devote their talent to IB instead, because they can make tons of money.
Yep, mainly Americans (I'm just sayin' 
') Ken Rogoff was a GM, Ron Henley and Patrick Wolff ran hedge funds..I think Joel Benjamin has some job in finance as well.
Hmm.. I thought Morphy DID practice law, but he wasn't very successful in it as many people came to him for his chess. In addition, there was a war where he lost his family fortune. Rumors also had it that he tried to evade military service during this period. When the war was over, Morphy had changed. Steinitz described Morphy at this period as being constantly suspicious of other people and he feared that people were after whatever left of his wealth.
Miguel Najdorf was in the insurance business. One of the few grandmasters who mix chess and business.
Rossolimo ran a chess parlor, drove a cab, and taught judo. I believe the great majority of American players, and most players from most nations, needed/need jobs.
offtherook wrote:
I'm not personally invested enough to get into a big argument about this.
Would that that were the motto around here...
Simen Agdestein of Norway is not only a chess grandsmaster but was a professional soccer player from 1984-1992. At present, he is a professional teacher both of chess and soccer.
plutonia wrote:
madhacker wrote:
Luke McShane, who works for some large financial company or similar, is often referred to as the only amateur super-GM. I hate to think how good he would be if he devoted all his time to chess.
Investment banking. There's a lot of people who would become really good chess players but devote their talent to IB instead, because they can make tons of money.
I agree plutonia. It is sad to see a possible super-GM throw away his life and waste his potential in investment Banking. There aughta be a rehab program for that. In a more perfect world, that is.
Chess is a game, i.e. a form of entertainment for those who follow it. If you think that chess players have no benefit to society, then you would have to conclude that others whose role is to entertain people also have no benefit(actors, musicians, writers, sportspeople, etc). That would be a rather boring world.
offtherook wrote:
I'm amused at the notion of someone "wasting" their life at a typical job as opposed to devoting it entirely to a game. Granted banking may not be the most socially useful job one could do, but gaming provides no societal benefit whatsoever.
We should send aid workers to America to teach them sarcasm.
offtherook wrote:
I'm amused at the notion of someone "wasting" their life at a typical job as opposed to devoting it entirely to a game. Granted banking may not be the most socially useful job one could do, but gaming provides no societal benefit whatsoever.
The point is McShane could add his name to the pantheon of great chess players if he devoted more time to it, you know leave a legacy and stuff. Rather than find more and more convoluted ways to screw Municipalities and Pension Funds over....
The societal benefit of investment banking is always profitable, but that profit is not always divided properly. In the latest years have bankers created with their speculative behavior a worldwide economical crisis. If you try to find out what bankers are doing to Greece, that is not friendly to a lot of people out there. In the Netherlands we have a bank that might go bankrupt (having bought a big property fund in 2006, just before the housemarkets collapsed worldwide) and in which the bank directors still gave themselves big bonuses - even when they had to borrow money from the government to survive.
Completely the opposite of a joke about a professional chess player:
A professional chess player comes at the doctor because he has a severe illness. The doctor says 'ok, I have some good news and some bad news, which one do you want to hear first?'.
'The bad news'.
'Well, you have still three months to live'.
'Oh wow, didn't know I had still that lot of money, but what is the bad news?'
Vease wrote:
offtherook wrote:
I'm amused at the notion of someone "wasting" their life at a typical job as opposed to devoting it entirely to a game. Granted banking may not be the most socially useful job one could do, but gaming provides no societal benefit whatsoever.
The point is McShane could add his name to the pantheon of great chess players if he devoted more time to it, you know leave a legacy and stuff. Rather than find more and more convoluted ways to screw Municipalities and Pension Funds over....
To choose between being part of the problem, or part of no real substantial solution.....
Decisions, decisions.
Theres no interest in finding a 'solution' to the perceived problems of Investment banks ripping off their clients because like all financial transactions caveat emptor should apply. Mutual Funds, Insurance companies, pension funds and the like have been seduced by the prospect of above average returns from investing in complex financial instruments that they don't understand - see Robert Citron and the Orange County bankruptcy for a prime example of a bank (Merril Lynch) selling utterly inappropriate REPOS and Floating Rate Notes to a municipal treasurer.
Of course Citron bought those instruments because he wanted to fund the county's programs without raising taxes...it works both ways.
Vease wrote:
Theres no interest in finding a 'solution' to the perceived problems of Investment banks ripping off their clients because like all financial transactions caveat emptor should apply.
After seeing all the participation Occupy Wall Street had, I would venture there is tremenous interst.
varelse1 wrote:
Vease wrote:
Theres no interest in finding a 'solution' to the perceived problems of Investment banks ripping off their clients because like all financial transactions caveat emptor should apply.
After seeing all the participation Occupy Wall Street had, I would venture there is tremenous interst.
Point taken, although that movement seems to have run out of steam and the big investment banks still have governments over a barrel...
Tarrasch was a surgeon. Morphy was an attorney (albeit not particularly successful in this career). Tartakower and Alekhine both obtained doctorate degrees, but apparently did not pursue very busy careers outside of chess. Gata Kamsky briefly attended medical school and then earned a law degree before returning to professional chess.
The idea of chess as a full-time profession is relatively new and, I think, not such a good one. Chess is a game, not a career.
Morphy never practiced law, so I guess that qualifies as "not particularly successful"
When and where did Alekhine get a doctorate? Pls cite a source other than his sayso, which is discussed here
http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kmoch05.pdf