Do you think there are unknown players that can beat the GMs?

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tmodel66

Give us all a link to your blog.

 

 

Path2GrandMaster

Hmm, I thought clicking my profile name would bring readers to my blog, my mistake, here is the link to my blog.

 

Also please note that I am MUCH stronger now than 6-12 months ago when the games were posted, I may include a few recent games versus Stockfish or GMs if needed.  All of the top games will be included in my books addendum.

tmodel66

 Path2GrandMaster, I looked at your blog.  You are a troll, or worse yet, you think you are great, but aren't.  Spend the rest of your life blogging about chess maxims, but you will still be a patzer like most of us.  

 

You will never be a GM, and aren't even self-aware enough to realize it.  Go to any local tournament and Class A people and above will have a plus score against you.

 

Or maybe, you are just trolling us, which would be pretty epic.

Path2GrandMaster

@tmodel66, you are very intelligent and polite.  I told everyone on these forums I have wins versus the worlds top players, meaning the top 2000 players globally online.  I provided a link where you can view over 100 games versus top players.  These include GMs both human and machine.

 

Why would you think I am trolling?  Perhaps because my rating is low?  Isn't that what this thread is about, strong players able to beat the world's best, yet relatively unknown?  Do I not have games posted versus stockfish, (no 1 computer) and do I not have games posted versus Beepbeepimajeep (no 1 human player global), honestly how do you excuse my win versus chessninja48, rated #27 worldwide.  How did you overlook the concrete form of over 100 wins versus top players?  Did you stop to wonder how a lowly troll like me could have so many wins versus 2000+ rated opponents?  

 

Perhaps the term troll is reserved for both jokers and great chess players currently low ratings.  

 

Before calling names like a ten year old, please tell me whole forum just why I am a troll?  Please tell them what part of the recorded and available games as proof did not suffice for you?  

 

BTW, I have recently entered into multiple tournaments, the last one I played the strongest player (the director of the chess club of a large city) and to many's surprise I beat this expert chess player as both black and white in two, 45 minute tournament games.

 

All I ask is please tell the readers of this forum just WHY I am a troll and what it is I have said which isn't true, so I can provide whatever additional proof is needed.

 

Seriously, no comment on my games, usually people call me a cheater because they can't understand how I find such moves.

 

I really can't resist to quote you, "You will never be a GM, and aren't even self-aware enough to realize it", -did you actually click the link to my blog?  How does one become a GM?  Aside from technicalities, one becomes a GM by beating GMs.  Since I have provided the actual games where this has happened, why would you think I should realize I won't be a GM?  Proof shows that I can, have and do win versus 2400+ players.

 

I rest my case.

 

 

 

tmodel66

 Path2Grandmaster,

 

After a quick examination of your games, I now believe you to be one of the most influential chess players of our generation because you are able to convince highly ranked players (who don't seem to exist) to resign to you in won positions and lose on time over and over.  You also "dominate" in drawn positions.

 

Somewhat In the style of former World Champion Emanuel Lasker, you are able to make inferior moves which psyche out your pretend opponents and cause them to crack under your highly suspicious play.

 

I look forward to your bogus, but inevitable, ascension to the highest levels of super-GM status.

Path2GrandMaster

@tmodel66,

  • "after a quick examination of your games"
    • -you should look deeper than a quick examination of 100+ games
  • "I now believe you to be one of the most influential chess players of our generation"
    • -not yet but I will be once my book is released
  • "because you are able to convince highly ranked players (who don't seem to exist) "
    • each game has an actual real player whose name is disclosed and can simply be looked up on lichess.org.  Some of my domination games have even been versus very famous masters, a good example is ChessNinja48, (hint: click the link), a child chess prodigy, 4 time national scholastic champion, USCF master at age 14, this is just one of many existing masters who I have dominated (he was my first master to play and I won, soon I found even masters to be lacking in understanding).  Of course, I explain all this, providing the links with proof, yet all i get is a "quick examination" coupled with a rash and haughty judgement!  The truth is I played him and won and the truth is I have beaten many many CMs, GMs, IMs and even some elite GMs including SF, those games have been included for proof for doubters as well..I would strongly recommend a thorough examination, one which is worthy of the feat and accomplishment since it seems so hard to believe.
  • "(high ranked players)...to resign to you in won positions and lose on time over and over."
    • now look at the effort and time you are wasting of mine, although I have a blog  which clearly shows otherwise, I will paste a few samples below, so the readers can see how off base your quick examination and conclusion were.
    • Here is a little of what is on my blog in the section for opponents over 2200 rating, and not one of these games did my opponent resign in a won position (where you got that information, I will never know): 
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      • There are many more of my master quality games of complete domination versus experts and masters with graphs and explanation to be viewed here 
  • "You also "dominate" in drawn positions."
    • Thanks, I know.  That's how I win from the initial position.  It is also key and proof of my mastery.
  • "Somewhat In the style of former World Champion Emanuel Lasker, you are able to make inferior moves"
    • Please refer to SF analysis above, and tell me where SF thinks I am making "inferior" moves?  
  • ...which psyche out your pretend opponents and cause them to crack... 
    • Neither me or SF see any inferior moves psyching out the opponent.  Lol.
    • I have been gentle thus far, but you are absurd to even write of "pretend" opponents, since all the readers have access to the same information you have and can also search the names of each opponent to see they are real people who have been playing chess most their life.  Surely someone who cares for the truth will note such a statement by you and click here and here to see that my opponents actually exist.
  • "under your highly suspicious play"
    • Perhaps you did look at my games, perhaps you wondered just how I was able to win, what kind of trickery did I use?  Afterall, I do have posted wins versus chess.com's SF on the hardest level and over 100 other impossible wins.  Any serious chess player should notice the anomaly and would naturally be motivated for investigation.  Clearly only two possibilities exist:
      • 1. I used a computer 2. I am actually one of the strongest players to every play chess.
      • The likelyhood is possibility number 1, that I cheated using a computer.  This is the conclusion one would most likely come to.
      • I can't prove to you that I didn't use a computer, but you can prove it to yourself with a close examination of the games I have so graciously posted with care (took a few days and was especially posted for the nay-sayers)
  • "I look forward to your bogus, but inevitable, ascension to the highest levels of super-GM status."
    • Thank you for at least admitting that you could see whatever method to be sufficient for such an ascension.  Of course I am wondering just what element specifically is bogus?  I can answer that question for all of you, if my elo was 2600 you would believe that I could beat stockfish, but if I post a game where I beat stockfish (evidence), but my rating is low, you will not believe.  Unfortunately all I can give you is hard proof and detailed move by move evidence, it is up to you to decide if I used a computer.  Please do check my games alongside SF and you will see how little I ever choose moves which are recommended by SF.  Yet I was able to defeat that big strong fish in 3 consecutive games (this was a recommendation of the folks at the St.Louis Chess club btw).

I hope other would chime in and check out the details of this conversation as it would be well worth it and beneficial for them.  Please feel free to ask me for any proof or any questions.  Also I would accept strong challengers but I do know how engines play and will be reporting games with computer assistance.  If you really want to see my strength in truth, challenge me and don't cheat with an engine.  For a list of players who challenged me, secretly using SF, just go to my blog (its quite common since I have declared and posted my 3 victories vs SF).  If you are going to use an engine, at least let me know so I can play accordingly and I will show you just how I am able to win versus SF.  Of course, I already have 3 such games posted for those who want to just how it is done.

 

tmodel66, on a personal note, I am not sure why you are against me.  I share what I know on my blog for all players, I provide evidence and proof and I try to answer your questions.  I understand your disbelief and the skepticism by many, as we all to often here of bogus claims.  But I must point out that in previously related cases there was not such proof to back up the claims.  The only thing actually lacking is a high chess.com elo.  You can see how little I play on chess.com in my profile.  You can also see many crushing victories versus the worlds strongest players.  Its simple, my rating hasn't caught up with my strength and the games I play are commonly interrupted by work and customers.

 

tmodel66 please challenge me and you can find out if I am any good.  I would love to play and post the game here in these forums.  Better yet, hopefully another GM will challenge me.

 

Anyway guys, I promise there are many unknown players who can beat a GM!

 

Path2GrandMaster

@Boris,

how can you say you are pretty sure I couldn't beat you when my blog is full of over 100 wins versus 2000 plus rated opponents and you are only 1800?  Really?  Commenting without checking the facts does nothing but make you appear uneducated.

 

Hello people, check out my games blog before you go saying something that makes no sense!

 

Path2GrandMaster
challenge accepted"
Path2GrandMaster

@Cashboy_Johnny

You are a good example of the type of person which plagues these forums, that is, those who make statements but provide no proof and those who satire the ones who have provided the proof.

 

Let's be honest.  No you don't beat GMs all the time, if you do provide concrete proof from actual games as I have "bro".

Forkedupagain

Igor Ivanov would have crushed anyone of you even when he was drunk.

 

fischerrook

I would think there are some unknown players that "can" beat the GMs. Becoming a titled player does come at an expense. Travelling, playing tournaments, membership fees, tournament fees, travel. There must be some super strong player in the world who just don't have the finances to pursue a title. Is there a super GM or a Magnus Carlsen out there we have never heard of, I would doubt it. 

ponz111
fischerrook wrote:

I would think there are some unknown players that "can" beat the GMs. Becoming a titled player does come at an expense. Travelling, playing tournaments, membership fees, tournament fees, travel. There must be some super strong player in the world who just don't have the finances to pursue a title. Is there a super GM or a Magnus Carlsen out there we have never heard of, I would doubt it. 

no but there could be a relatively unknown who has beat every GM he has ever played but is disabled and cannot play over the board.

beating super GMs is beyond the scope of this forum title.

dominusdone
tmodel66 wrote:

The answer to this question is no.

I saw a a NYC city park player beat GM Finegold in blitz on a Youtube video once, but that doesn't mean that there are rogue players out there who secretly play at GM level, but have never played in organized chess events before.

 

 

Wrong. You cannot prove that there isnt. For example Kalih who had never went to an event before but was one of the best players to ever play chess despite not having the ability to read. People would have not known him if someone had not noticed that he was good and wanted him to be in a tournament. There is no answer to this question. 

ponz111

I have the ability to beat GMs.  

qeiree

Legends never die , well, to play great online , is much more easy than play a tounement , i think , with your computer you are sitting comfortable alone in your home, no stress , no psykologic press on you , if you loose an online game , its more easy to recover! A Grandmaster a grandmaster has proven not only that he is good at chess, but also good at the psychological pressure that is on the players for a tournament, he can play good chess under the toughest psychological conditions 🙂

Ziggy_Zugzwang

The accreditation of a GM title is more indicative of ability than the accreditation of Nobel Prizes for war mongers or PhDs for those in politically approved paradigms...

The constant: "how can I become a GM" threads I find annoying. A title is an accreditation on past performance. The key seems to be to play the best move in whatever position one is in. All the wannabes need to know that GMs don't, I imagine, constantly repeat the mantra "I am a grandmaster" OTB, any more than an upcoming player should repeat the mantra "I want to become a GM" when playing chess. Chess is simple. All one has to do is make good moves :-)

WaterSyth

Ofc there is

qeiree

I dont think its a question about grandmaster vs not grandmasters , but a question about rating ; of course there are not-grandmasters with rating over 2600 , they can , i guess , beat a grandmaster under their level🙂and as bobby fischer said , "always made the best move"❤️

qeiree

can someone verify this as I read on google a few days ago, quote : "There are many potential grandmasters walking around out there (a rating above 2600 is one of the requirements for this title) but they don't get the title because FIDE needs a money amount for the title". Is it true that it costs money to get a grandmaster title??

qeiree

Here is a little bit to think of you plan to be a grandmaster :

By charges, I assume you mean financial costs. I will be using USD for all of my calculations. Lets look at Magnus Carlsen (current world champion). To start, you need to get a FIDE membership, which costs about $27 per year. It took Carlsen about 5 years to become a GM after his first rated FIDE game. Current total ~ $135 . He played in about 50 tournaments (~350 FIDE games) before getting GM. It costs about $150 to play in a FIDE tournament, not including travel fees. This brings the total to ~$7635. He was tutored by GM Simen Agdestein at the Norwegian College of Elite Sport. Grandmasters can charge hundreds of dollars an hour to tutor, so lets say it cost $50,000 (extremely rough estimate). Carlsen spent thousands of hours playing chess on the road to becoming a GM and I’d estimate over $75,000 in the process. Wow! That seems insane, right? Umm… Perhaps not.

He’s made millions of dollars playing chess. Yeah… And he’s a model (Lol).

Are all chess grandmasters rich?

Most GMs cannot make a living playing chess. They coach, teach, blog, write books, some get appearance fees. Many are “starving artists”. Many work full time at non chess careers.

Only a small portion of GMs earn enough at chess to make a good living.

We can look at it from the view of someone who actually has made it to grandmaster, which is about 1,600 people in the world. For them it is probably something like 6–10 years, on average.

Then there is looking at it from the view of the other 600,000,000 people on earth who may play the game of chess. And that answer is: NEVER.

For everyone one who makes it to GM, there are 10,000 other serious, talented, dedicated students who work very hard for a very long time, and do not make it.

How do I become a master chess player?

I initially declined to answer this question because my USCF master status is in correspondence chess. I think I have some good ideas though that you might find helpful.

Play with stronger players who will challenge you and beat you. You will learn a lot from them.

How much does a chess grandmaster earn per game?

GMs hardly ever get paid per game. The normally get paid by winning a tournament or by finishing near the top of a tournament. Sometimes they get an appearance fee for simply playing in the tournament. Sometimes the figures involved are substantial. For example, in some situations the prize fund for winning the tournament might be £1M. But normally, the prize fund is a few thousand dollars at best.

There are less than 2000 GMs in the world. I can’t stress now difficult it is to become a GM. However, most of those GMs earn very little money from winning tournaments or from actually playing chess

How do I become a grandmaster?

Most GM’s today have been on a GM track since childhood. If you are not winning scholastic tournaments in middle school, then it probably isn’t going to happen. Otherwise, most people just don’t have the time and resources to become a great chessplayer (or gymnast or figure skater or tennis player).

There are exceptions, like GM Finegold, but they are few and far between. Becoming a GM is a full time job that doesn’t pay very well, most people can’t afford that kind of luxury.

How much money are chess grandmasters earning?

Top players like Magnus earn over a million. Competing (and winning) grandmasters are earning between $100,000 and $500,000.

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