Fischer vs Karpov?

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Moyuba
THETUBESTER wrote:

Wasn't there something like 80 demands he made - they agreed to do all of them, except one and Bobby got ticked and resigned the title?  Crazy

uhh... if you look at the conditions fischer asked for, and then look at the list of conditions karpov asked for his first title defense you will see that fide gave a lot more to karpov than fischer asked for.

maybe this had something to do with the fact that the then fide president Florencio Campomanes was a kgb collaborator.

Moyuba

no he didn't. where are you getting this ridiculous information from?

CalamityChristie

but he invented clocks, a new chess game ... he was the dude!

CalamityChristie

and do his nails, comb his hair, give him a shave, read the newspaper for him, iron his clothes, buy fish and chips, throw him into the swimming pool ...

Moyuba

that's just a lot of bull.... his demands were:

  1. The match should continue until one player wins 10 games, without counting the draws.
  2. There is no limit to the total number of games played.
  3. In case of a 9–9 score, champion (Fischer) retains his title and the prize fund is split equally
Eseles
CalamityChristie wrote:

but he invented clocks, a new chess game ... he was the dude!

http://retroglory.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/dude.jpg

Cool

CalamityChristie
Moyuba wrote:

that's just a lot of bull.... his demands were:

The match should continue until one player wins 10 games, without counting the draws. There is no limit to the total number of games played. In case of a 9–9 score, champion (Fischer) retains his title and the prize fund is split equally

at least he wouldn't have stalled a match after only 5 wins.

JasonSchlotter

I don't have any idea who would have won, or if Bobby was ducking, but I am pretty sure that he didn't need to play any other GM's - he spent the last years of his life playing dictators for big $$$.  I read a story about this that said he wouldn't even open an invitation to come play without first receiving a $10K payment.  The observation was that for some reason dictators tended to be seriously enamoured of chess.  As their dictatorial ways meant they usually had a lot of disposable income, it was a great ride for BF.  Can't remember the article.  It was years ago that I read it.  Maybe someone else has seen it?  Or maybe my memory is bad and I've just got a HUA problem.  Wouldn't be the first time.

Curious_Barrel

You see what happens FIDE? You see what happens? This is what happens when you f**k a stranger in the ass!

CalamityChristie

Fischer is still so popular!  lol

Eseles
CalamityChristie wrote:

Fischer is still so popular!  lol

There's a spit i admire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjbaSVXUq5c

 

This thread is great Laughing

CalamityChristie
Eseles wrote:
CalamityChristie wrote:

Fischer is still so popular!  lol

There's a spit i admire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjbaSVXUq5c

 

This thread is great

Best ever was Frank Rijkaard's "hocker" on Rudi Voeller in the world cup soccer match years back between Holland and Germany.

Just google "frank rijkaard spit".

Eseles
CalamityChristie wrote:
Eseles wrote:
CalamityChristie wrote:

Fischer is still so popular!  lol

There's a spit i admire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjbaSVXUq5c

 

This thread is great

Best ever was Frank Rijkaard's "hocker" on Rudi Voeller in the world cup soccer match years back between Holland and Germany.

Just google "frank rijkaard spit".

I believe Fischer's spit had greater context.

As a soccer incident, Zidane's headbutt vs Materazzi is something that has stuck more to my memory :D

sapientdust
Polar_Bear wrote:

Bronstein predicted Fischer in 1975 would have beaten anyone, including Karpov or Korchnoi. I respect Bronstein, but I think otherwise.

Karpov himself said Fischer was the favorite, and he estimated his own chances at just 40% in 1975.

Polar_Bear
sapientdust wrote:
Polar_Bear wrote:

Bronstein predicted Fischer in 1975 would have beaten anyone, including Karpov or Korchnoi. I respect Bronstein, but I think otherwise.

Karpov himself said Fischer was the favorite, and he estimated his own chances at just 40% in 1975.

It depends on the format of such WCC match.

In limited usual 24-games match, Karpov would have been slight favourite.

In unlimited 10(9)-victories match, Fischer would have been slight favourite.

CalamityChristie

6-0 to Fischer

sisu

Let's make it happen!

Polar_Bear
silver_light wrote:

I think Fisher would lose vs Karpov (and probaly any other strong GM) just because he was not brave enough to play chess honestly. (1)

I recognized the first sign of it when Fisher cowardly ceded first desk in match USSR vs Rest of the World (1970) to Bent Larsen. (2)

1) That's not that clear. Fischer was indeed very strong in the 70's.

The main dispute was if WCC-title belongs to champion himself or to FIDE who has the right to decorate champion with it. Nobody ever disputed e.g. Lasker's rights to bring conditions, but after the WWII, FIDE was influenced by the Soviets heavily and Botvinnik, as mere USSR-citizen, wasn't in position to bring conditions himself. The same approach applies to all USSR players, even comrade Karpov wasn't allowed to express his opinions. All Soviet's WCC demands were decided somewhere in politburo behind closed doors and presented to public as player's honest opinion.

2) Larsen wanted that. Larsen honestly thought he was better than Fischer in 1970 and he had excellent tournament results from past year behind him. The decisive outcome of their candidates match next year (Larsen lost 0:6) was heavily influenced by Larsen's illness and thus didn't reflect the real proportion of their strengths.

CalamityChristie

takes own advice well.

Polar_Bear

Silver_light, I am afraid you are not in position to estimate my knowledge or even dispute my statements.

I have seen soviet players speaking before USSR fell and after. The difference is big and the conclusion is obvious: they were muzzled and watched in the soviet era.

Just compare Kasparov's public statements from the 80's and 1993 onward.

Have you ever heard the name Baturinski?

Did you read Bronstein's books from the 90's?