bobby is pretty good
but i am note sure he could win the world cup today
because everyone uses a computer now
and there is help from being a talented player anymore.
anyone can become a GM now
Who is the greatest chess player of all time ?? Bobby Fischer ??
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i think i am
SmyslovFan wrote:
but today's elite players really are better than Fischer at his best.
Wrong.
See how easy it is to refute a mere assertion with equally mere gainsaying?
Aanand is greatest player of The world because he won against calersen most and his wining %is most!!!!
Oct 14, 2017
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realgman wrote:
I think
RomyGer
makes a great point, the fact is greatness is defined differently by different people. what appeals to you is how you will judge... Having looked recently at a few of Petrosians game (especially against Hort) he has a claim too, as he was so highly rated for sooooo long (I would be interested to know if he was the strongest over the longest period). and his ability to suffocate an opponent on the board, he never ever seemed in a hurry.
Capablanca as ive said earlier for me the greatest, because he didnt study, and was unbeaten for an incredibly long time, and also that he saw and lived life beyond chess...and no one saw the truth in a position as quickly as he did...
Tal the greatest attacker?
Reti the most innovative, or Nimzowitsch?
Fischer the most determined and biggest character?
RomyGers pick Lasker-The deepest most complex thinker?
Botvinnik the most disciplined?
The history of Chess is full of heroes, and for me its probably the thing I love more than the game itself, the history of those that played it...think Smyslov, a world champion and an opera singer, winning the title (after losing before) from Botvinnik, a world champion and an electrical engineer and computer scientist!!!!
The great artist and the great engineer reach the very top in chess, at the same time...those great minds that seem so different can truly communicate on the chess board..
That always amazes me, chess crosses ALL barriers and meets in the middle; the 'center', where else.... for all who play it!
Excellent post
”Having looked recently at a few of Petrosians game (especially against Hort) he has a claim too, as he was so highly rated for sooooo long (I would be interested to know if he was the strongest over the longest period)”
He wasn’t. Now you know :-)
Indeed.
It's all too cute to speculate how different generations would fare against a "modern" master of today. No, I'm not going to regurgitate the many reasons. Most have gone through that ad nauseom.
OTB play though, will always be the divine indicator of one's play. Whether it be blitz, classical Fischer's play has always shown to be on par with Kasparov. Limited sample sizes though there may be.
By the same contrast, Bobby could've gone toe to toe with Karpov, positionally and with the many attributes that were considered Garry's plusses. Idyllic memory, tactical n combinational ability. Stamina.
Really don't see how OTB Fischer would not be heads above these two Giants.
Only thing naysayers can absolutely say is that, "he just didn't play".
Vishalmd wrote:
Aanand is greatest player of The world because he won against calersen most and his wining %is most!!!!
He won against Carlsen ... are you kidding? Magnus beat him badly twice in World Championships.
The world's best player today is almost certainly stronger than the best player of a generation ago - just as the latter was almost certainly stronger than the best of the previous generation. Each generation benefits from advances in theory, especially opening theory, and also has access to many more top level games to analyze. But today's masters have an advantage that goes well beyond that. They have access to chess engines much stronger than any GM that can be used to evaluate positions and new lines in openings. If we're going to compare masters of different eras, the only reasonable and fair way is to compare each master's results against the strongest masters of his time. If evaluated on that basis, Paul Morphy must be among the greatest ever. He absolutely dominated during his short career. Some will laugh and say that Morphy wouldn't be rated higher than 2000 or 2200 today. That's nonsense. It assumes that Morphy would arrive in the 21st Century via a time machine and would come with no knowledge of current chess theory. If Morphy had been born 20 or 25 years ago instead of 180, he would have access to the same knowledge and information as current masters. I think he would be among the strongest if not the strongest today.
Alpha Zero.
Can we put a block on any input from the Indian community to this discussion, thereby alleviating us of the tedium from the Vishy brigade.
Fischer may not have been the best, who really knows, but he did for chess something no-one else ever did. He called out and then destroyed the systemic cheating and corruption of tournaments by the Soviet teams. For this we owe the raving luny a massive debt.
He is the greatest, of course
OK, pretzel wins.
Jan 3, 2018
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Aug. 24 2017, post 1437, I gave some different reasons why Bobby could be considered the greatest player. This question will never be answered to the satisfaction of everyone, just check out how many posts have been made but, I do think he could be considered the most FAMOUS player of all time.
The further we move away from the time of Bobby Fischer's career, I think it becomes more difficult to perceive just how strong the USSR players and team were - and to appreciate the odds which Bobby Fischer had to overcome playing such a system.
His career was phenomenal. It breaks my heart to think that we never saw more of World Champion Bobby Fischer.