Bulldog Chess with Witch and Guard (PerpetuallyPinned vs Marks1420)

Almost forgot...

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@Marks1420

Hi PerpetuallyPinned. I read the discussion on this thread, and I think your arguments are not unreasonable. (Just for the record though, I think that Martin and Tug adjudicated this "controversy" in a fair manner). I'll go back to the rules, and revise the text to make sure there is no ambiguity. Please allow a few days because I'd like to get agreement with others before revising the actual text.

Btw, I'm not sure if any comments were deleted from the discussion (rules thread). If someone is removed from chess.com then their comments are deleted. But I don't think this happened. It might just be the discussion wandered, and I neglected to clarify the rules as was proposed. (I'll have to read that post again, but will do it tomorrow. It's late for me now).

vickalan-

No problems

I was sort of blown away by the reactions.

After reading that it was actually intended to be a rule, I completely understand.

For the record, we have voted to determine if black timed out before white resigned, and the decision is that black did not time out, since we agree that there is no rule in place that explicitly stops a player from calling vacation after being issued with a time warning. Therefore black has won by resignation. I just wanted to let you know we have discussed it.

We do recognise the rules need to be clarified, and apologise for them not being clear. They will be updated in due course. It must be said though that the decision to resign was yours, and we can't take responsibility for that. 

I do agree with you on certain points, one of which is that the onus is on players to enforce the clock. This is a tricky situation, as some players (myself and Martin are two examples) prefer to take a relaxed attitude towards time warnings. Martin is past 3 days in our current game, it's not a problem for me because I know he's busy modding and tracking many games, as well as any IRL work he has on his plate. It's not just Martin who I cut slack to, I simply do not like winning by timeout and so only issue time warnings if my opponent is regularly taking too long. If the onus is taken off the players, then somebody will need to carefully track each and every game, taking note of the times that players have moved. It's too much to ask of mods, and so personally I am not in favour of changing the rules to put the onus on moderators or other third parties to enforce time limits.  But I appreciate it's not ideal. 

This is the rule regarding time warnings...

"16. Time warnings: Warnings may be called by either player. Tournament directors may also issue time warnings. A member of the bulldog chess federation may also issue warnings for prize games (candidate and challenge games)."

Mods can issue time warnings, but they are not obliged to. If we obligate mods to do so, less people will be willing to mod games.

We did also discuss another potential issue related to this game... does a resignation after timeout count as a resignation or timeout? This I believe is covered by precedent in elite chess games, Tal vs Adamski, 1974. Tal resigned the game, but after they shook hands, Tal's wife pointed out that Adamski's flag had dropped, and the arbitrer was called to make a decision. He favoured Tal, and called the win for white. Adamski appealed to FIDE, and they supported the arbitrer, confirming that Tal won the game, despite resigning. 

This game is commentated by agadmator here... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCjn7m8FPqE

Does this mean that you can give a time warning to yourself?

(LOL)

I guess so. I mean, I actually have come close to issuing myself with a time warning to legitimately give myself more analysis time. I often slip into a fourth day, but rarely have I actually analysed the game on each day. If I have spent time analysing on each day, I feel obligated to move in time, so if I'm not ready to, I consider issuing a time warning to myself. I am yet to do so though.

Reading through the rules forum again...

I noticed a consensus for 15 days vacation was agreed on.

Only 14 vacation days were implemented.

Good game, I suppose. Why did you resign?

My first game and afaik I didn't have anything to lose.

Also, was to make things easier/quicker for the rule makers.

I could be wrong on both, but it was quicker.

I was wondering your reaction to when you came back to this game.😅😅😅

I was wondering the same thing. I checked if PerpetuallyPinned was in a losing position, and so tried to get a win on time. But the last position appears to still be in development - neither side has an advantage (as far as I can tell). I actually think the opening is interesting (see below). Sorry all this happened, and sorry to see the game end the way it did.

I would volunteer to continue playing from this position against Marks1420 (non-rated) but I see he is listed as a National Master (normal chess) so I probably have no chance. I've already been losing too many games recently.😕😅😕

(White to move)

Both players have opened fine and the advantage is marginally with white due to moving first, as best I can tell. h6 is a slightly strange move as it weakens black's queenside a little, but if he castles kingside, or successfully trades of black square bishops, it's not really a problem. 

Trading black square bishops wouldn't make sense as it makes h6 really look silly. 

If black were to castle queenside, then removing white's black square bishop should be a priority. But you're right, h6 is silly if you're not intending to develop the bishop to h7. 

Playing Bc7 and trap the guard on b8 makes it harder to castle kingside, while h6 makes it less safe to castle queenside.

I agree white is a little better, but nothing serious. Black needs to be a bit creative when making a plan.

I don't think b6 and Gb7 is a bad plan for castling, but I doubt I'd want to trade a guard for bishop, so I'd be a little concerned about the weakness on a6. Again, I'd be seeking to trade off the dark bishops.

I mean, the more I think about it, the less I like h6 as an early move.