Bullet Is Chess

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wars64 wrote: Cool man, good to see you again, it has been a very long time since you last posted here.

I agree, one family and time controls do not change whichever version of chess is being played.

Time controls however do affect ratings differently which is something that should be considered.

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MalpBlu

Bullet is chess... but so different that the skills to implement differ highly. This difference affects the spirit of the game.

A chess player have a vey close level in different official format of time control : 2h 40 moves 1h KO, 1h30 40 moves + 30 minutes with increment of 30 s, 2h KO.

In this different format, the pressure of time slightlty varies but the skill of a player remains decisive.

To give a simple example, a player without a theoric base (of opening and positionnal evaluation) will rarely get results in competitive (official) games.

Sadly, bullet allows snaky strategy (check chaining without sense, move with tactic error but which requires a long analysis time to see it,...). We can easily found games with a terrible positional disadvantage (around -4) reversed by loss in time or by amazing turnaround. It's obvious this reversed situation don't exist (or anecdotally) in classic format. However, I like play bullet for the pleasure and as a side of the training.

Finally - and i'm sorry for being a little hard in my words - I think the condition to assert what is chess is know chess in official games or in official structure (club, competition) and not only like chess like a game without know how is organized federations.

Firefly_2010

Oh!

Firefly_2010
Snow-Wolf-8 wrote:
BR298-NuclearFusion wrote:
Snow-Wolf-8 wrote:
BR298-NuclearFusion wrote:

Here's the same scenario but with chess:

So I'm just sitting in my corner of the tournament room where everybody sits just to lose against me and then somebody comes up to me and before we even starts the game he goes "Ha! I won! Wooooooooooooo!" Then I go "you must be kisee-coocoo" Then he goes "no that's not true. You tried to play the game with the totally wrong set up." Then I go "um, this is how you set it up, Dumbo." Then he would go "No, were playing chess 960 or we not? Well that's not how set it up." Then I would say, "No, were not playing 'chess 960', were playing chess." Then he would go "It is chess, it's just a different form of chess." Then I would get that guy, out of my sight as fast as I can.

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This is the stupidest fake story someone has ever made up. You would obviously know that it would be chess 960. Therefore your story is invalid in less you were dumb not to notice it was not normal chess. 

No I wouldn't "know that it would be chess 960" because first of all I'm playing normal chess in a normal chess tournament room and second I set it up like normal chess hence the stupid guy who thinks that chess 960 is the same thing as chess tries to call me out for cheating. Why, you ask, because you still don't know what I'm talking about? Because he attempts to play me in a chess 960 match even though we both agreed on normal chess but since the stupid guy thinks chess 960 is the same thing as chess he thinks that we are automatically playing a 960 game like he wants to but I set it up for normal chess and so he thinks I'm cheating because of that. Do I not make myself look clear?

IF it was a normal chess room the guy would not be that stupid. AND no one would be stupid to think chess960 is chess. Chess960 is a FORM of chess. You make yourself loud and clear but what you say is wrong. If I was to ask 10 chess players what is chess, all would tell me that rooks go on the sides... ETC. If I asked what chess960 was, any that would know would say it is a different way to play and they either don't play it that way, or rarely do. And if they know how to, they'll tell me the back pieces are mixed up.

A leshein!

Firefly_2010

I write messages for... And my messages a good ECO!

GM_chess_player
Snow-Wolf-8 wrote:

True! It helps doesn't it? Even if it didn't, is it not chess? Nope, still is. Take Crazyhouse. How does that improve you? It hardly does! Is it still chess? A form!

Bullet really doesn't help you. I..... never mind. Actually, it is bad and good in some ways. You learn how to react faster to certain moves. But on the other hand, you may make bad moves due to removing and stuff. Therefore bullet is both bad and good.

McGoohan

"Wars" is a sociopath.

tuoyuan

na uh i  go spamspamspam  etc. i justove carelessly for the ake of time

BR298-NuclearFusion
Firefly_2010 wrote:
Snow-Wolf-8 wrote:
BR298-NuclearFusion wrote:
Snow-Wolf-8 wrote:
BR298-NuclearFusion wrote:

Here's the same scenario but with chess:

So I'm just sitting in my corner of the tournament room where everybody sits just to lose against me and then somebody comes up to me and before we even starts the game he goes "Ha! I won! Wooooooooooooo!" Then I go "you must be kisee-coocoo" Then he goes "no that's not true. You tried to play the game with the totally wrong set up." Then I go "um, this is how you set it up, Dumbo." Then he would go "No, were playing chess 960 or we not? Well that's not how set it up." Then I would say, "No, were not playing 'chess 960', were playing chess." Then he would go "It is chess, it's just a different form of chess." Then I would get that guy, out of my sight as fast as I can.

next page for more enlightenment

This is the stupidest fake story someone has ever made up. You would obviously know that it would be chess 960. Therefore your story is invalid in less you were dumb not to notice it was not normal chess. 

No I wouldn't "know that it would be chess 960" because first of all I'm playing normal chess in a normal chess tournament room and second I set it up like normal chess hence the stupid guy who thinks that chess 960 is the same thing as chess tries to call me out for cheating. Why, you ask, because you still don't know what I'm talking about? Because he attempts to play me in a chess 960 match even though we both agreed on normal chess but since the stupid guy thinks chess 960 is the same thing as chess he thinks that we are automatically playing a 960 game like he wants to but I set it up for normal chess and so he thinks I'm cheating because of that. Do I not make myself look clear?

IF it was a normal chess room the guy would not be that stupid. AND no one would be stupid to think chess960 is chess. Chess960 is a FORM of chess. You make yourself loud and clear but what you say is wrong. If I was to ask 10 chess players what is chess, all would tell me that rooks go on the sides... ETC. If I asked what chess960 was, any that would know would say it is a different way to play and they either don't play it that way, or rarely do. And if they know how to, they'll tell me the back pieces are mixed up.

A leshein!

Yes and a boat is a "form" of a car so why don't we just go driving our cars into a lake? It works, does it not? After all boats are a form a cars, so cars must be a form of boats. Therfore, cars can be driven into a lake. Why are so many Americans these days not understanding that? Some are, but for them they DROWN AND DIE! Why? because cars sink! So it can't be a "form" of a boat. The same thing goes with chess 960. They are different games! How can they be "the same game" if they are different? That's what has me confused.

Ty39wastakenlol
BR298-NuclearFusion wrote:
Firefly_2010 wrote:
Snow-Wolf-8 wrote:
BR298-NuclearFusion wrote:
Snow-Wolf-8 wrote:
BR298-NuclearFusion wrote:

Here's the same scenario but with chess:

So I'm just sitting in my corner of the tournament room where everybody sits just to lose against me and then somebody comes up to me and before we even starts the game he goes "Ha! I won! Wooooooooooooo!" Then I go "you must be kisee-coocoo" Then he goes "no that's not true. You tried to play the game with the totally wrong set up." Then I go "um, this is how you set it up, Dumbo." Then he would go "No, were playing chess 960 or we not? Well that's not how set it up." Then I would say, "No, were not playing 'chess 960', were playing chess." Then he would go "It is chess, it's just a different form of chess." Then I would get that guy, out of my sight as fast as I can.

next page for more enlightenment

This is the stupidest fake story someone has ever made up. You would obviously know that it would be chess 960. Therefore your story is invalid in less you were dumb not to notice it was not normal chess. 

No I wouldn't "know that it would be chess 960" because first of all I'm playing normal chess in a normal chess tournament room and second I set it up like normal chess hence the stupid guy who thinks that chess 960 is the same thing as chess tries to call me out for cheating. Why, you ask, because you still don't know what I'm talking about? Because he attempts to play me in a chess 960 match even though we both agreed on normal chess but since the stupid guy thinks chess 960 is the same thing as chess he thinks that we are automatically playing a 960 game like he wants to but I set it up for normal chess and so he thinks I'm cheating because of that. Do I not make myself look clear?

IF it was a normal chess room the guy would not be that stupid. AND no one would be stupid to think chess960 is chess. Chess960 is a FORM of chess. You make yourself loud and clear but what you say is wrong. If I was to ask 10 chess players what is chess, all would tell me that rooks go on the sides... ETC. If I asked what chess960 was, any that would know would say it is a different way to play and they either don't play it that way, or rarely do. And if they know how to, they'll tell me the back pieces are mixed up.

A leshein!

Yes and a boat is a "form" of a car so why don't we just go driving our cars into a lake? It works, does it not? After all boats are a form a cars, so cars must be a form of boats. Therfore, cars can be driven into a lake. Why are so many Americans these days not understanding that? Some are, but for them they DROWN AND DIE! Why? because cars sink! So it can't be a "form" of a boat. The same thing goes with chess 960. They are different games! How can they be "the same game" if they are different? That's what has me confused.

Chess960 has chess in the name tho.

BR298-NuclearFusion
Tigerfunx wrote:
BR298-NuclearFusion wrote:
Firefly_2010 wrote:
Snow-Wolf-8 wrote:
BR298-NuclearFusion wrote:
Snow-Wolf-8 wrote:
BR298-NuclearFusion wrote:

Here's the same scenario but with chess:

So I'm just sitting in my corner of the tournament room where everybody sits just to lose against me and then somebody comes up to me and before we even starts the game he goes "Ha! I won! Wooooooooooooo!" Then I go "you must be kisee-coocoo" Then he goes "no that's not true. You tried to play the game with the totally wrong set up." Then I go "um, this is how you set it up, Dumbo." Then he would go "No, were playing chess 960 or we not? Well that's not how set it up." Then I would say, "No, were not playing 'chess 960', were playing chess." Then he would go "It is chess, it's just a different form of chess." Then I would get that guy, out of my sight as fast as I can.

next page for more enlightenment

This is the stupidest fake story someone has ever made up. You would obviously know that it would be chess 960. Therefore your story is invalid in less you were dumb not to notice it was not normal chess. 

No I wouldn't "know that it would be chess 960" because first of all I'm playing normal chess in a normal chess tournament room and second I set it up like normal chess hence the stupid guy who thinks that chess 960 is the same thing as chess tries to call me out for cheating. Why, you ask, because you still don't know what I'm talking about? Because he attempts to play me in a chess 960 match even though we both agreed on normal chess but since the stupid guy thinks chess 960 is the same thing as chess he thinks that we are automatically playing a 960 game like he wants to but I set it up for normal chess and so he thinks I'm cheating because of that. Do I not make myself look clear?

IF it was a normal chess room the guy would not be that stupid. AND no one would be stupid to think chess960 is chess. Chess960 is a FORM of chess. You make yourself loud and clear but what you say is wrong. If I was to ask 10 chess players what is chess, all would tell me that rooks go on the sides... ETC. If I asked what chess960 was, any that would know would say it is a different way to play and they either don't play it that way, or rarely do. And if they know how to, they'll tell me the back pieces are mixed up.

A leshein!

Yes and a boat is a "form" of a car so why don't we just go driving our cars into a lake? It works, does it not? After all boats are a form a cars, so cars must be a form of boats. Therfore, cars can be driven into a lake. Why are so many Americans these days not understanding that? Some are, but for them they DROWN AND DIE! Why? because cars sink! So it can't be a "form" of a boat. The same thing goes with chess 960. They are different games! How can they be "the same game" if they are different? That's what has me confused.

Chess960 has chess in the name tho.

It used to be called Fischer Random until some dude decided to name it chess 960 but that doesn't mean it is chess. That doesn't mean that if I'm a grandmaster in chess 960 that I'm a grandmaster in normal chess.

I could also name scrabble "chess with letters" but that doesn't make it a form of chess whatever that's supposed to mean.

Ty39wastakenlol
BR298-NuclearFusion wrote:
Tigerfunx wrote:
BR298-NuclearFusion wrote:
Firefly_2010 wrote:
Snow-Wolf-8 wrote:
BR298-NuclearFusion wrote:
Snow-Wolf-8 wrote:
BR298-NuclearFusion wrote:

Here's the same scenario but with chess:

So I'm just sitting in my corner of the tournament room where everybody sits just to lose against me and then somebody comes up to me and before we even starts the game he goes "Ha! I won! Wooooooooooooo!" Then I go "you must be kisee-coocoo" Then he goes "no that's not true. You tried to play the game with the totally wrong set up." Then I go "um, this is how you set it up, Dumbo." Then he would go "No, were playing chess 960 or we not? Well that's not how set it up." Then I would say, "No, were not playing 'chess 960', were playing chess." Then he would go "It is chess, it's just a different form of chess." Then I would get that guy, out of my sight as fast as I can.

next page for more enlightenment

This is the stupidest fake story someone has ever made up. You would obviously know that it would be chess 960. Therefore your story is invalid in less you were dumb not to notice it was not normal chess. 

No I wouldn't "know that it would be chess 960" because first of all I'm playing normal chess in a normal chess tournament room and second I set it up like normal chess hence the stupid guy who thinks that chess 960 is the same thing as chess tries to call me out for cheating. Why, you ask, because you still don't know what I'm talking about? Because he attempts to play me in a chess 960 match even though we both agreed on normal chess but since the stupid guy thinks chess 960 is the same thing as chess he thinks that we are automatically playing a 960 game like he wants to but I set it up for normal chess and so he thinks I'm cheating because of that. Do I not make myself look clear?

IF it was a normal chess room the guy would not be that stupid. AND no one would be stupid to think chess960 is chess. Chess960 is a FORM of chess. You make yourself loud and clear but what you say is wrong. If I was to ask 10 chess players what is chess, all would tell me that rooks go on the sides... ETC. If I asked what chess960 was, any that would know would say it is a different way to play and they either don't play it that way, or rarely do. And if they know how to, they'll tell me the back pieces are mixed up.

A leshein!

Yes and a boat is a "form" of a car so why don't we just go driving our cars into a lake? It works, does it not? After all boats are a form a cars, so cars must be a form of boats. Therfore, cars can be driven into a lake. Why are so many Americans these days not understanding that? Some are, but for them they DROWN AND DIE! Why? because cars sink! So it can't be a "form" of a boat. The same thing goes with chess 960. They are different games! How can they be "the same game" if they are different? That's what has me confused.

Chess960 has chess in the name tho.

It used to be called Fischer Random until some dude decided to name it chess 960 but that doesn't mean it is chess. That doesn't mean that if I'm a grandmaster in chess 960 that I'm a grandmaster in normal chess.

I could also name scrabble "chess with letters" but that doesn't make it a form of chess whatever that's supposed to mean.

How are scrabble and chess even alike!? At least in chess960 there is a chess board and the pieces move the same.

Mi_Amigo

what is scrabble?

Ty39wastakenlol
Mi_Amigo wrote:

what is scrabble?

Google it.

Mi_Amigo

oooooooooooooooo yeah I know about this game

Brudo_the_Chess_King

you know chess960 has *CHESS* peace's in it   

BR298-NuclearFusion

Chess is a classic game that tests your mind of strategy against other people chess 960 is more of a random thing. Your more likely to find someone who plays chess than some who plays chess 960. Chess is like a game where you feel like a short challenge against somebody else.

Brudo_the_Chess_King

but chess960 has chess peace's in it so its a MVC

 

BR298-NuclearFusion

yeah sure it's like chess but they changed it so but it's still not the same thing as chess like when I say chess I don't want you to set it up as chess 960 you know.

BR298-NuclearFusion

At first Brudo says it was "Modified Vision Chess" which means that the pieces is made of different colors but now he says its "Modified Version Chess" which means that chess that has been changed but IS NOT STILL CHESS.