Catalonia is not a country nor a nation

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tercio3 wrote:

Which examples? There is not a single one! I do not speak about what I don't know. I say nothing about Wales or Scottland. Everyone can call himself what he likes, but don't call a country what is just, and always has been, a region. Trying to divide my country, something which nationalist and socialists have been trying for decades, is nationalism+socialism. Do you remember? Nationalism+socialism=nationalsocialism. 

England isn't a recognised country by the UN, but I consider myself English, and England my country and I think it's right that chess.com gives me the option.

tercio3

Perfect for you, but England has been a Kindom for centuries. Scotland has been a Kingdom until some centuries ago. Catalonia has never been a Kingdom, never has been a republic, never has been independent. Don't tell me what my country is and I will not tell it to you. Chess.com should let choose any flag you want, or choose only flags or real countries. Otherwise, the flag means nothing.

fburton

Good luck with your campaign, Tercio3. I don't see it getting anywhere though. Undecided

Scottrf
tercio3 wrote:

Perfect for you, but England has been a Kindom for centuries. Scotland has been a Kingdom until some centuries ago. Catalonia has never been a Kingdom, never has been a republic, never has been independent. Don't tell me what my country is and I will not tell it to you. Chess.com should let choose any flag you want, or choose only flags or real countries. Otherwise, the flag means nothing.

Fine, that's the attitude that chess.com employ.

johnyoudell

I am not w/o hope that the birth and development of the EU will gradually take the sting out of this sort of divisive nationalism.  Because regional, or national, diversity can thrive within the EU w/o needing to be concerned about sovereignty issues which used to be vital to nation states.

The fact that the border between N. Ireland and Eire came to have so little significance, both sides belonging to the EU, perhaps played a part - even a large part - in helping the people there start getting on better.  Exactly, in fact, as the founders of the EU expected and hoped.

Be glad that the people of Catalonia value their cultural differences to you tercio. You are not threatened by that.

Mithras

it's not the cultural diversity thats the problem, its the fact that they want to keep the tax revenues generated in the region that is probably the most threating aspect of independence to centralised spainish government

 

Italy have the same problem with the league of the north

 

re differences between north and South Ireland:

catholic country vs secular country  major differences, just ask the husband of that poor dentist who died this week

tercio3
Mithras wrote:

it's not the cultural diversity thats the problem, its the fact that they want to keep the tax revenues generated in the region that is probably the most threating aspect of independence to centralised spainish government

 

Italy have the same problem with the league of the north

 

re differences between north and South Ireland:

catholic country vs secular country  major differences, just ask the husband of that poor dentist who died this week

Who want to keep what? Madrid is the main tax payer in Spain! Olympics 92, AVE, new airport, new port... All of these Catalonia has taken from Spain!

Mithras

so your argument is , stay please we would like to give you more money?

Aletool

Imagine there is not countries..........

 

tercio3
Mithras wrote:

so your argument is , stay please we would like to give you more money?

No, our argument is: You can go away, as soon as possible, but first give us back all the money you have stolen to us for decades; second, there are several millions of Spanish speaking people in Catalonia whose human rights are not respected by these nazis; third, you have no right to decide if you are dependent or independent, as, according to the Constitution, the sovereignty resides in all the Spanish People, not just in a few thousands of corrupt national-socialist Catalanist politicians and agitators. 

You can read about the corruption of the Catalanist governors, investigated by the Spanish police, in this web:

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2012/11/16/espana/1353057898.html?a=7ca82eff3cf934099c2a6d7731579c75&t=1353086225&numero=

cabadenwurt

Having read thru this thread again I have come to the logical conclusion that the OP is either a Troll or a Fanatic. If the Dictator Gerneralisimo Franco were still alive he would be very happy with the OP. On the other hand if the OP is a Troll then I will feed the Troll no longer. Either way the OP will not listen to reason and leaving posts here is a waste of time. Good luck to those still trying to get the OP to see reason ( a uphill task however ).   

tercio3

Coming back to the point I initially wanted to remark: there is an error in the countries menu of chess.com. I'll give some easy examples so that almost anyone can understand it. Which element of the following lists is wrong?

list of NBA teams: NY Knicks, LA Lakers, KOBE BRYANT, Boston Celtics.

list of cities: New York, London, BIG BEN, Chicago.

list of countries: Italy, Sweden, Russia, MOSCOW, Spain, CATALONIA.

It is as simple as this. In Spanish we have a saying: "No hay peor sordo que el que no quiere oir". If you prefer to keep on with your coding error, it is up to you: Cuiusvis est errare; nullius nisi insipientes, in errore perseverare.

Maxx_Dragon

Like that other Spaniard Don Quixote, tercio3 is tilting at windmills.  >:[

varelse1

Also offewred are seperate flags for England, Scotland, and Wales. The conclusion is inescapable.

Obviously, this is a plot by Chess.com to tear apart the mighty United Kingdom, and with it the entire free world!!!!!!!!Surprised

Grobzilla
tercio3 wrote:

Chess.com should let choose any flag you want, or choose only flags or real countries. Otherwise, the flag means nothing. (emphasis mine)

 Flags already mean nothing. Or at least they should. Nationalism is a poison.

1RedKnight99

@OP: If people like being a part of Catalonia better than being a part of Spain, they should be Catalonia. The "International" "flag" setting works the same way.

king_warrior

Kosovo is also not a country, it is 15% of serbian theritory but this site is classified it as a country. Yes they have strange sense of humour. Maybe one day martian country will apear here.

fburton
tercio3 wrote:

list of countries: Italy, Sweden, Russia, MOSCOW, Spain, CATALONIA.

Maybe the word "country" was in error. Huge, horrible error - bad chess.com! Yell Maybe it should have simply been "flag".

One shouldn't take flags too seriously.

Anyone for a spot of ethnic cleansing?

axelfolley

I have just read Tercios post about this situation of Catalonia, and although I have never said anything about it, it bothered me greatly since my very first day here why chess.com posts Catalonia as an independent country, that is, apart from the rest of Spain. I see several people have answered and of course, Im all for Tercios point of view. This history of the independentists movement here in Spain is old and very complex, so in order to understand why it is a fraud in every sense of the word, one must be really onto it and know what it is about. And sincerely, I doubt anyone at chess.com or most of the people either could even try to understand it, and without any real knowledge, how can they indulge on something that is painful for an entire country? or just say...whatever?

Aelormungandr

I still don't see an issue here. If people wish to identify themselves with a certain flag, regardless of where they live currently, then it's swell that chess.com gives them the option to do so. Forcing someone to subscribe to  a flag they don't truly endorse seems like a disgusting gesture of short-sighted indignance. If someone identifies with a flag, then good. If they identify with another, well that's just dandy too. Leave people to their own opinions and expression of them, it's of no consequence to you. Personally, I feel Chess.com isn't particularly a great place for an extended discussion of this political sort.