Censorship - Chess Forums - Page 2

Martin_Stahl

May 19, 2015

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#21

kenardi wrote:

trysts wrote:

That's weird. Are you sure there wasn't something in it about cheating? Because Chess.com sometimes deletes threads about cheating.

I wasn't aware of that... I guess its okay to censor cheating threads? I was not informed of this if this is the case...

it was about users using bots to play their games without any acknowledgment. I can see how it could have been categorized as a cheating thread.

I recall seeing that topic now. It probably was removed due to restrictions discussing cheating on the main forums. It is one of the things mentioned in the Forum Posting Rules.

kenardi

May 19, 2015

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#22

Martin_Stahl wrote:

kenardi wrote:

trysts wrote:

That's weird. Are you sure there wasn't something in it about cheating? Because Chess.com sometimes deletes threads about cheating.

I wasn't aware of that... I guess its okay to censor cheating threads? I was not informed of this if this is the case...

it was about users using bots to play their games without any acknowledgment. I can see how it could have been categorized as a cheating thread.

I recall seeing that topic now. It probably was removed due to restrictions discussing cheating on the main forums. It is one of the things mentioned in the Forum Posting Rules.

Thanks for suppling the link for that... that should be easier to find.

Interesting... but it says "behavior" not discussion.

Seems to be a misinterpretation of the rules by someone. Or, mayby a little vague?

kenardi

May 19, 2015

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#23

richie_and_oprah wrote:

AKA: The honeypot.

"Well there's false flags, dead drops, drop outs, cut outs, active doubles, passive doubles, dangled moles. The often under appreciated honeypot. One of my favorites."

Richie, i think you are just on a different demensional plane.

thanks for the comments.

Martin_Stahl

May 19, 2015

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#24

kenardi wrote:

Martin_Stahl wrote:

I recall seeing that topic now. It probably was removed due to restrictions discussing cheating on the main forums. It is one of the things mentioned in the Forum Posting Rules.

Thanks for suppling the link for that... that should be easier to find.

Interesting... but it says "behavior" not discussion.

Seems to be a misinterpretation of the rules by someone. Or, mayby a little vague?

It is, "The following topics or behaviors" ...

As posted earlier, there is a group that specifically deals with the topic and the discussion is allowed there and really in any private groups (from my understanding).

As to being hard to find, I imagine having it or a link to it in every main forum would probably be better (or having a sticky that automatically put it in each one).

kenardi

May 19, 2015

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#25

Martin_Stahl wrote:

kenardi wrote:

Martin_Stahl wrote:

I recall seeing that topic now. It probably was removed due to restrictions discussing cheating on the main forums. It is one of the things mentioned in the Forum Posting Rules.

Thanks for suppling the link for that... that should be easier to find.

Interesting... but it says "behavior" not discussion.

Seems to be a misinterpretation of the rules by someone. Or, mayby a little vague?

It is, "The following topics or behaviors" ...

As posted earlier, there is a group that specifically deals with the topic and the discussion is allowed there and really in any private groups (from my understanding).

As to being hard to find, I imagine having it or a link to it in every main forum would probably be better (or having a sticky that automatically put it in each one).

So, it seems this implies any discussion of cheating is censored from "public" discussion.

Sounds like a brilliant way to address a real online chess subject...

Okay then...

Would have been easy if the "moderator" mentioned this... seems the moderators should read these rules once in a while too...

"moderators may delete posts, or edit to remove offensive material and include an explanation"

I dont't like the lable of "offensive", but i guess if discussing cheating is offensice, so be it.

thanks for the forum education.

Foghorn46

May 19, 2015

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#26

If you feel that there may have been a cheating issue in one of your games you can always contact the Cheating Forum Group here.

http://www.chess.com/groups/view/cheating-forum

kenardi

May 19, 2015

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#27

Foghorn46 wrote:

If you feel that there may have been a cheating issue in one of your games you can always contact the Cheating Forum Group here.

http://www.chess.com/groups/view/cheating-forum

nope, that is not the issue, but thanks for the link.

AlCzervik

May 19, 2015

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#28

Haha! And that's how the forums go at cc.

Relative newbie posts about an article that may show how to cheat.

Forum is deleted.

Newbie ask why, publicly.

Other members tell him talk of cheating is not allowed.

Mod directs him to the forum rules.

Staff member chimes in without seemingly reading anything!

Martin_Stahl

May 19, 2015

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#29

AlCzervik wrote:

Haha! And that's how the forums go at cc.

Relative newbie posts about an article that may show how to cheat.

Forum is deleted.

Newbie ask why, publicly.

Other members tell him talk of cheating is not allowed.

Mod directs him to the forum rules.

Staff member chimes in without seemingly reading anything!

Just a normal member, not a mod

phudson

May 19, 2015

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#30

AlCzervik wrote:

Haha! And that's how the forums go at cc.

Relative newbie posts about an article that may show how to cheat.

Forum is deleted.

Newbie ask why, publicly.

Other members tell him talk of cheating is not allowed.

Mod directs him to the forum rules.

Staff member chimes in without seemingly reading anything!

I like it when someone resurrects a super old thread, and a staff member comes in and responds to a post that is months - years old.

RonaldJosephCote

May 19, 2015

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#31

Free Speech, deleted threads, sensorship, you need a degree in Journalism to post here.

phudson

May 19, 2015

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#32

power_2_the_people wrote: where have you seen that?

I've seen it a few times. I haven't seen one recently enough that I could easily find an example to link to. They're usually posts asking about some problem with the site. The thread will be pretty old, then someone comes along and says something like "I'm having the same trouble." Then a member of staff comes in and addresses the OP or one of the other older posts. To be fair, it's quite easy to overlook the date of the older posts when someone revives an old thread.

kco

May 19, 2015

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#33

PHudson wrote

I've seen it a few times. I haven't seen one recently enough that I could easily find an example to link to. They're usually posts asking about some problem with the site. The thread will be pretty old, then someone comes along and says something like "I'm having the same trouble." Then a member of staff comes in and addresses the OP or one of the other older posts. To be fair, it's quite easy to overlook the date of the older posts when someone revives an old thread.

yeah I've seen that and is it quite funny too.

RonaldJosephCote

May 19, 2015

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#34

Here you go. Lets see how far this gets with censorship http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/unfair-chesscom-moderators?lc=1#last_comment

kenardi

May 19, 2015

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#35

I just found this thread on cheating:
http://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/chesscom-policy-on-cheating

Guess I never really looked for it... I didn't think my post was about cheating, but I guess someone did. This is more informative then directing me to a closed discussion group... who wants to be a part of a group that just talks about cheating? Not me. Maybe that is what Rickie is referring to as the "honey pot". I just might be seeing that other dimension Richie.

This issue about Moderator censorship seems to be a problem here.

Why bother having a public forum?

Open forums get a little out of control once in a while, moderators are supposed to cool things down, not censor everything they disagree with.

Why bother contributing…

RonaldJosephCote

May 19, 2015

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#36

http://www.chess.com/forum/search?keyword=cheating

kenardi

May 19, 2015

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#37

RonaldJosephCote wrote:

http://www.chess.com/forum/search?keyword=cheating

thanks Animal

kenardi

May 19, 2015

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#38

problembishop wrote:

Food for thought: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship

Also:

"When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, "This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are forbidden to know," the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs, not anything—you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him." - Robert Heinlein (1907 - 1988)

Wow, those are some powerful words!

I think i may have broken the rules displaying the flag.

kenardi

May 20, 2015

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#39

Okay... plenty of time has past.

Why was my original thread/post deleted?

I expect an answer from a member of the chess dot com staff.

Bronco

May 20, 2015

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#40

In before the lock!!!

Lol