Cheaters Beware - You Will Be Caught

You are only cheating yourself.

Finally!!! Good job.

i cant afford cheating. I wont cheat my soul just for winning a game.

April 21, 2008

Hello Eric;

I have a question for you. Couldn't one person IMPERSONATE two players, playing against each other in a game, where ONE of the players PURPOSELY loses, to help the RATINGS of the OTHER?

You know... TWO computers could be used for this purpose... in the SAME room?  What do you think? Of course.. that is CHEATING in the most ABOMIINABLE way!

How would you catch them? (Or him?)

Just wondering.

slim 6744

check out cheater_1... He directly admits cheating and even boasted that he will make the site vanish if he gets banned... intriguing isn't it?

What do you think people? Is it possible? check out his thread and evaluate...

"phoenixrjp wrote:

It sounds good but if there's no penalty for timing out people will do it even more, unless the timeout is only registered as the loss for the other player, but then all your effort is for nothing. You suspend a player for a week if he times out but who's to say something didn't happen that was out of his control, internet down, can't pay a bill etc. I think it stinks also but I think it's the only fair solution"

Personally, I don't like the timeout feature. People who are really interested in playing chess for the competetiveness and enjoyment of it on this site do not intentionally time out but must suffer the ill consequences of doing so as far as their rating. Rating would be  more useful  in determining a player's ability if it were not influenced more or less by the giving or receiving of timeout wins/losses.  Games are designed to be played to completion and win loss or draw. Timeouts should not be counted. That way, timeouts would have no effect on a player's rating and the game (as far as it got) would be just that - a game, unrated. Only completed games should be counted. If a game times out due to whatever circumstance, a reinstatement feature should be utilized if approved by both players to continue the game at the point it timed out.

There are some really good comments here, but I especially like the one above.  We all feel pretty abused when meeting a smarter opponent.  But that's why we like chess, to prove oneself.  The more mature you get, the less you care about what others think and the more you just want to prove it to yourself. Sometimes I think I'm really clever, then others I make such an obvious blunder I wonder how my rating is even over 1000.  The brain is a fascinating organ and we are all capable of brilliant moves.  The truly gifted have more resistance on making bad moves.  Experience is a definite factor.  Ie. I was 40 before I learned "never move the knights pawn on the kings side to chase away a pin on the knight, as this ALWAYS leads to a quick loss."  Ok, I'm a slow learner...   Bottom line is we all follow different paths to improvement.  Please don't get angry as lesser opponents develop.  Don't assume that someone who you thumped regularly is cheating if he starts catching on, which will happen in fits and starts!

 Another question on cheating.  I feel I would be cheating if I study an opening after  the start of a tournament with a common opening.  But others would feel this "homework" is available to everyone so it is fair game.  What's the prevailing thought on this?    I think boning up before the tournament start is a good idea.  I'm still evaluating my feelings on "learning while playing" and wanted other opinions.  It's a small problem in that you have to suspend your learning for quite long periods if the tournament drags on.

"What's the prevailing thought on this?"

The prevailing thought really isn't an issue. However the prevailing rules and policies are issues.  The policies say you can consult books, databases, etc. if you so choose. What you can't do is to use an outside source to select your move - this would include computers, masters or your uncle Fred.

If using databases, etc. is something you don't like and refuse to use, unless the tournament itself disallows their use, you have to be aware that your opponent, for whatever reason, may employ these aides .

Apologies if this question has been asked before, but there has been so much written in these forums about cheating that I can't find anything relevant.

My good friend Pistoleer has just proposed a Latvian Gambit tournament and I registered at once.  However I've never played, and never even seen, a Latvian Gambit (I had to look it up on the Net to see what it is).

Over the next few days I'll be using my Fritz data base to play through some games, as well as some games that PerfectGent was perfectly gentlemanly enough to post in the download area.

I doubt if anybody who has ever seen the mishmash that passes for one of my games would accuse me of  using computer assistance (if Fritz played that badly I'd buy another program) but I would like to run Fritz in the background in the lead-up to, but not during, the Latvian Gambit tournament.  That would allow me to study the opening while waiting for moves in my other games.

However, if chess.com has some clever software that can detect the presence of a chess engine working on my computer, would that be construed as cheating? 

So, will I leave myself open to a charge of cheating if I do this?  Would it be best to study at a time when I'm not connected to chess.com?

What's the official response, please? 

I'm also interested as I have used some Fritz found improvements in my openings based on opening research and /or analysis of my completed earlier games.  However I pressume the new program will only idedntify a consistent pattern throughout the games as opposed to one clever move or sequence.  Btw I have also played and continue to play opening moves and variations Fritz tells me are rubbish......Fritz isn't great at some endgame assessments either I've noticed.

 danke schoen

 hi daniel ...most of us agree with your comments but i think you misunderstood the nature of the question.  but thanks for commenting.

Chess is agame you learn from by your mistake,s ,

we were all beginner once , and had stronger player wipe us of the board ,may be cheating has be come the language of now/ ie you see it in all walks of life .

so the only way to get better is to study and learn from past game,s

so much to learn in this game.

I agree with you Etienne!!!!!!