Chess.com Violates California Law

I heard Proposition 183 will ban air...

@ArchEmperorSolev The things that cause cancer in California cause cancer everywhere. The difference is that Californians know where those things are and how to avoid them.

@Stockfishdot1 I haven’t heard about that one. How are we supposed to breathe?

@Pacorseman I did request one and finally heard back. They told me the transaction did not go through. Even though it’s sitting right there on my statement. So more time will be wasted.

blah blah blah - file the class action and then we might think of you as something more than a lame duck internet lawyer. And people complain that Chess.com censors them lol

The creator of this forum has the intelligence of an average person who lives in California...

I see it as my own responsibility to put renewal dates on my calendar in order to cancel subscriptions before they renew. It's hard when the subscriptions are annual because who can remember a year back? I would prefer it if subscriptions canceled rather than renewed. But I think you can call them and say you don't want to renew. The only reason I keep my credit card on my account is that I occasionally like to gift memberships to non-premium members that have good stats. Just unlink your credit card and they won't be able to take your money. They are not going to sue you. They can't sue everybody. You're making some good points but I think personal responsibility for managing your financial affairs has a role to play here. So what if they're breaking the law? It's not like they're robbing banks. Everybody's breaking the law. Do you stop for stop signs? Do you pay your taxes? A lot of people don't. It's none of our business.

@BoardMonkey If you don’t think that everyone should pay their taxes and stop at stop signs, or that’s it’s none of our business if they don’t, then we are never going to agree about much of anything. That’s ok. I will adjust and live with the possibility that I will still be too poor to afford a safer car for my family when you barrel into me with a self driving cybertruck in my right of way and kill my entire family. Maybe you can use the publicity around my dead family’s failure to take responsibility for their own safety to run for governor of California so you can declare an official end to mandatory taxation and repeal that pesky law requiring email reminders for annual subscriptions.

@654Psyfox I don’t know what software this forum uses, but California is not a bad guess. California has led development of the world’s most advanced technologies for decades. Although by now even people in red states can build an Internet forum.

I am not a resident of California and that's why I don't think that Chess.com is doing anything wrong.

@Spawney what is your point? How should chess.com change in your opinion? Honestly, I thought I understood at the beginning but now I'm not so sure.

@neuxcgo Your flag is for Netherlands! What a missed opportunity to share how subscriptions work in your country. For those who don’t know, annual subscriptions in the Netherlands are NOT ALLOWED to renew. Like all subscriptions they must convert to month to month after the initial period. Here’s a summary: Strict rules apply to subscription renewals, making it easier for consumers to cancel their subscription after the agreed-upon period. For example:
Once the initial period has expired, subscriptions cannot be automatically converted into a fixed-term subscription. They may be converted into permanent subscriptions, provided that they can be cancelled with a one-month notice (at the most), except for daily, weekly and monthly magazines or papers. These can be renewed for three months at the most.
Subscriptions to papers or magazines that have fewer than 12 issues per year may be cancelled with a three-month notice (at the most).
Firms cannot create any obstacles to cancellations. For example, consumers must be able to cancel their subscriptions in exactly the same way as they signed up for them.
Trial subscriptions to papers or magazines must stop after the agreed-upon trial period.
These rules apply to all kinds of subscriptions such as telephones, internet, energy, but also papers and magazines, gyms, and other services. Insurances and memberships of associations do not fall under these rules.

@Cold_W1nter Yes, I’m sorry for that. I actually tried to make this post more straightforward than the other one which was more sarcastic. Basically, California requires companies to send customers notice 15-45 days in advance for annual subscriptions that are about to renew, and they don’t. They want it to renew without warning and then the terms don’t allow any refunds if you complain. There’s a bunch of other stuff in the law that they ignore as well.

This is technically correct, but there is an element you didn't mention, which was that the companies, after 1 year of subscription, are required to allow cancellation at any point each month afterward. Chess.com does not violate this in anyway, so while you shared interesting information I don't see it helping your point. Also, if you're going to directly quote a website on the internet, it's appropriate to cite it

I'm going to assume you're a resident of California then, since I don't see why you would care otherwise. That makes sense, but I don't think they're in violation of it since they aren't based in California, to my knowledge. Of course there are laws that Chess.com has to abide by, but it's not the companies responsibility to research and change their site for every state, province, and other recognizable governmental organization of a people.

For example, you and I both live in the US, assuming our flags are accurate. However, assuming you live in California, we live in different states. Therefore, we follow different tax, driving, drug, and other laws because our legislation is different. If Chess.com changed their policies for California, they could suddenly be in violation of other provinces laws, which wouldn't you agree is an infinite and unreasonable circle for Chess.com to chase after. Wouldn't you agree?

Also, @Spawney I mean no hard feelings, but I'm curious to hear what you have to say, instead of just seeing a downvote on my comment. You may disagree or may not like what I've said, but my point still stands until you prove otherwise, at which point I'm willing to continue a respectful discussion.

Yo reading this is entertaining 🍿

12 year olds are allowed to make accounts. I'm 13, but I joined when I was still 12 (albeit I was two months away from 13 and didn't really use it until about my 13th birthday)

they did this to me too but i dont live in cali... 80+ dollars right out my account you guys got me stressed fr plz bro i cant afford food i need this money back i aint even authorize the purchase in the first place now my bank is overdrawn and im gonna get charges for that plz bro i love chess but id rather b able to eat than know if my move was brilliant or just good.

Chess Dot Com is breaking the law breaking the law.