Chess.com FAQs and Discussion on Cheating

 Thats just dumb for me as far as I understand it using any help game explorer, openings book or chess engine is just cheating the same idea apply and it is you will get better results (or worst) then you would playing on your own with your own ideas.

I see no diference between choosing moves based on game explorer, or based in rybka infinite analisis then choosing 1 line that looks better from the tree, bottom line is you would not think on any of those lines by yourself, but due to previous game you see somewere you choose to play it, that just makes you another cheater, the problem here is there is no real way to prove someone is cheating in chess, so what if my moves match 99% of the moves fritz choose, maybe Im in a good mood or fritz is drunk  but coming to this post and sayin... mmm I'm actually not sure If I was cheating I just used outside help to make my moves for me was that wrong?? Obviously is wrong and the person is a nincompoop so as far as I'm concerned delete hic2482w rating

I just found out (looking at the list of cheaters) that I lost 4 games to them (out of 86 I played at all), it's 4.6% and 18% of the lost games. Please, understand me right, I appreciate your honesty with making cheaters names public. At least I don't blame now Petrov defense ( which I stopped to play after one of these losses), but it looks like much more work needs to be done to get rid of these parasites. 

 Oh boy another cheater amazing!

Wrong.  It's only cheating if it's against the rules, and static resources like books and databases are permitted in e-chess.  Period.  If you don't like it, there are Groups here eschew the use of these resources in e-chess (on the honour system).  Play with them. 

Apart from that, you shouldn't be calling people cheaters for quoting the site's rules.  And for what it's worth, the rules are the same at pretty much every other web-site I've seen that offers a platform for correspondence-style chess.

oh boy, another person who hasn't read the rules:

You many only have ONE Chess.com member account. You may NOT get any help from any person or any chess engine throughout the course of a game, including tablebases. You MAY use books, magazines, or other articles. You may also use computer databases

I'm in one of the groups that avoid the use of databases, books etc during actual play. We acknowledge this use is NOT cheating according to the rules of correspondence chess at this site, and we respect others' right to use such resources.  It's just that we prefer to play chess our way. You can join us or any group similar to us, mschosting. But I guarantee you that these groups or at least my group will still play users of such resources. It doesn't bother us, it's their right and their choice.

 tks I don't get bothered with that its just the sarcasm of the guy coming here Hey I do cheat am I wrong? Please tell me its ok so I don't feel guilty with myself.

Well I wont be sorry that this person is too dumb to racionalize what is cheating and what's not and even worst to be so dumb as to cheat and then act all inocent was I wrong please punish me lol when he know's quite well that no one will acuse him or even be punish in anyway so he wants to cheat and free is soul! Well I don't care that much he cheats or not his problem but if he assumes it obviously should be punished, would be only fair to have the rating deleted... And as far as any thinking person can racionalize using DB software books or magazines is exactly the same as using a chess engine *If you don't go playing all the moves blind like most cheaters will do, but if you just infinite analise X position then choose a line thats just as big cheating as a chess mag or book/database etc the point is your performance will be higher then it would be in a real over the board game.

I'm going to have to go read some AC forum comments to retrain my brain before reading that...

And so the fanatism is born... You don't need much, just some stupidity and some agression.

Don Erik said:

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Ejemm,

Thats what we call free enterprises. You pay your fee, enjoy the service as much as you can ..but WE THE PROVIDER OF THE SERVICE THAT YOU PAID FOR, can cancel at any time the whole agreement and WE WILL KEEP YOUR FEE.

Priceless ;)

Ah the sweet smell of the Dollar.....

And secondly Don Erik, can you really proof that somebody is cheating with a hundred porcent accuracy ? You may have a hint or a very strong suspicion but can you really proof without any doubt and within an adult rationale that thats the case?

Digital Fritz and TogaIV and the double dragon and all the mind enchiladas, how can you proof the moves are not being created by a human mind?

--- I understand your Via Crusis...but I still think Chess.com needs an ombudsman.

Peace! ')

Another relevant portion of the Terms of Service:

Put simply: be nice, no cheating!

Chess.com is a friendly community for those who love chess! Please be on your best behavior as you play chess and interact with others. Failure to follow these rules will result in your account being closed.

LATITUDE> That's what we call free enterprises.

Another aspect of the free market is that if Erik were to terminate accounts without due cause, fewer people would sign up. But the opposite is happening--there are more premium members every day, and most seem happy with their memberships.

I think you mean prove.

well I think it's clear  Mcshosting still doesn't understand using opening explorer/books and databases is legal and not cheating and so is different from using an engine or not :-)  Books etc were always used in correspondence style chess.  However in "Live chess" on this site you may not use books, opening explorer etc

I'll try posting the rules again

these are the quoted rules from chess.com

You may only have ONE Chess.com member account. You may NOT get any help from any person or any chess engine throughout the course of a game, including tablebases. You MAY use books, magazines, or other articles. You may also use computer databases

a related thread

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/a-tally-of-database-users--non-users

I do get that is not cheating according to the rules, but as far as a brain can think it is cheating youl be getting better performances then you would on your own... So thats cheating, Im loving to watch all this passionate defence from this honest non cheating players lol

I think it's clear that he just doesn't understand correspondence chess. If reading a book is cheating for correspondence chess, then you could never read a chess book while you had any correspondence games going on. You would have to stop reading chess books for months or years at a time to not be a cheater. Otherwise, those chess books could help you in the games you currently have going on.

Either that or he's a troll.

thats cheating... may be legal but cheating anyway

Are you using a chessboard for your analysis?

How about for the purposes of this site (or at least this thread), let's use the word "cheating" to mean "breaking the rules". That is the orignial meaning in the beginning of this thread, and if we keep it this way, there will be less confusion.

Back home there was an expert who argued that computers by their nature cheated since they have an internal board.  He never understood that this argument meant that humans cheat if they visualize positions that have not occurred yet.

Wow, now I saw that a great cheater has biten the dust: victormpm. Indeed, one of the greatest cheaters on this site.

Great, but ... I know he was cheating for at least one year. I might have reported him once, I don't remember. The sad part is that he had to play about 600 online games in order for chess.com to be sure that he is cheating. In other words, hundreds of honest players had to waste thousands of hours playing - contrary to their wishes- against an idiot cheater. 

Does chess.com thinks this is fair? Don't you think that your threshold for separating suspected cheaters from the rest of the players is way too high? 

And don't worry about victormpm: he will change his IP address, make another account and do what he knows to do best: cheat, of course.